Maroon said:

Do you have the terrorist SOP? Does every organization abide to these rules?  Can you provide evidence for this claim?

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qman said:

Bubbles85 said:

BREAKING NEWS:

Brussels terror attacks: 34 killed in bomb blasts at airport and Metro stations

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Shots were fired and Arabic shouted before two large blasts at Nevantem Airport, Brussels.

Less than two hours later a third blast was heard at Maelbeek Metro station near the EU's HQ.

At least 136 people have been injured. Downing Street confirmed that one Briton has been wounded in Brussels.

A major Nuclear plant has now been evacuated — the second largest in Belgium. A bomb squad has swooped on the University of Brussels to investigate a suspect package.

ISIS has since claimed the attacks — and officials have confirmed the airport blasts were caused by suicide bombers.

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could someone please remind me about the great benefits that "cultural diversity" (Muslims) brings to the native EU population?

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qman said:

Where's Tip today?  Somebody has to blame Western white culture for todays attack. 

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viktor said:

qman said:

Where's Tip today?  Somebody has to blame Western white culture for todays attack. 

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I'll do it.

This terror attack was clearly revenge for Belgian colonisation of the Congo in the 19th century.

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Now we're talking, it also sounds very justifiable.

viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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qman said:

viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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He will have blood on his hands regardless, when the Europeans wake up and decide to change the course of this insanity they will go overboard on their reaction, it won't be pretty for the Muslim population.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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He will have blood on his hands regardless, when the Europeans wake up and decide to change the course of this insanity they will go overboard on their reaction, it won't be pretty for the Muslim population.

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While I disagree that 'people like Tipote' are to blame, I do believe your prediction is correct. In politics, things remain fucked up for an eternity, and when they are finally changed, the changes are dramatic, and overkill.

The only people with blood on will be those with blood on their hands. The ignorant fucks who over react, and turn violent.

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qman said:

Where's Tip today?  Somebody has to blame Western white culture for todays attack. 

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Oh heeeyy guuyys. Sorry for the delay, I was awaiting instructions on how to spin this. I've just got my sheet of talking points fresh from Daesh HQ...................

qman, why do you reduce my argument to:  terrorism = white culture's fault? I have never even said that.

Trying to understand the reasons behind something is not the same as justifying, or condoning that action. The point is that we should know our enemy, if we do not then we will never win this fight. My misguided hatred against entire communities, we exacerbate tensions and fuel things further. It is important to understand root causes behind these terrorist activities. It doesnt excuse it but it gets us further than blanket prejudices.

viktor said:

This terror attack was clearly revenge for Belgian colonisation of the Congo in the 19th century.

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viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

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The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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I predict he will blame the Belgians for not sucking the dicks of the attackers enough.

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qman said:

viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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He will have blood on his hands regardless, when the Europeans wake up and decide to change the course of this insanity they will go overboard on their reaction, it won't be pretty for the Muslim population.

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Why will I have blood on my hands?

Youre right that backlashes will not be pretty. I know many Muslims who have a horrible sinking feeling every time this happens because it paints an entire group with the same brush (by the ignorant), and they will be on the receiving end of this violence. Islamophobic attacks are only getting worse. And Muslims are killed in these Daesh atrocities too...!

qman said:

People like Tipote are well intentioned with their "cultural diversity" pipe dreams for the EU, many people in power that are pushing this policy are NOT looking for a utopia, they're trying to create social and economic chaos into the EU, they want a shit fest. Both will have blood on their hands because they are promoting something they know can NOT work, they will be held accountable when it goes bad, people like Merkel will be fleeing for their lives.

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I have previously acknowledged that there are always belligerents in war, and infiltrators. Russia, Turkey, Syria, Israel etc all have an interest in this being a shit fest for Europe. It doesnt have to be and a completely disorganised and uncooperative EU only makes this worse. I accept fully there are many problems and I fully realise that numerous changes need to be made in order for this to work.

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"The ignorant fucks who over react, and turn violent"

But will it even be a overreaction by the time they turn violent?  This is still small scale terrorism, what happens when they kill 5000-10,000 Germans in a large scale act, or even worse?  It's coming, it's just a matter of time.

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You only just said that it would be going overboard in their reactions and now youre asking whether it'll really be an overreaction?? Does that mean you condone violence in your extreme example? I'm not suggesting you are but i'm pointing out that when that argument is made FOR these islamic extremist groups, you would say that I am defending them. Muslims have been killed in the millions by Western states so they might agree with your point that maybe it isnt an overreaction. Do you understand what I'm saying? There seems to be a double standard here...

Since you guys struggle to understand my points almost every time, I will say again that I do not condone murder of any kind. I recognise that murder and hate only breed more murder and hate.

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3. Prison does not cure people — quite the opposite

4. To stop terrorism, you have to stop participating in it

The men who carried out these attacks were politically educated out of the destruction of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the drone bombings in Pakistan and Yemen, the torture of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, and the colonization and occupation of Palestine. To make it shorter, they, mostly identify as Muslims, and they were horrified by the ideological war of the West against what it wrongfully calls “the Muslim world.” This is the main motivator behind the men of ISIS becoming killers. “Your wars, our deaths” became a slogan after the Paris attacks. It might not be totally accurate, and we definitely cannot simplify things, but there is a lot of truth in it.

5. Governments know how to defeat ISIS, but prefer not to do anything about it

We know, for example, that the real people fighting ISIS at the moment are the Kurds in Kobane and other cities. We know that helping and supporting them, while cutting the route of ISIS’s oil to Turkey, would deal a huge blow to the so-called Islamic State. Are we doing it? Not at all.

Supporting Turkey, a crucial actor in this whole story with Machiavellian policies on the ground, is a major factor in the ongoing violence. We also know the role that Saudi Arabia, the most repressive state in the world, plays in the region, through its funding of Wahhabism — the most radical and dangerous interpretation of Islam possible. Rather than doing something against the spread of Wahhabism, the West is enabling it. France, for example, just gave Mohammed Ben Nayef — the future king of Saudi Arabia — its highest honor, the “legion d’honneur,” a few days ago.

These constant double standards and the lies of our governments need to be challenged. They create rancour and hate.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

viktor said:

To be honest, I think Tip is waiting for instructions about how the spin these attacks.

The tricky thing is, these terror attacks were only possible because of people like him, who opened the borders to people that the rest of us knew were dangerous.

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He will have blood on his hands regardless, when the Europeans wake up and decide to change the course of this insanity they will go overboard on their reaction, it won't be pretty for the Muslim population.

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Why will I have blood on my hands?

Youre right that backlashes will not be pretty. I know many Muslims who have a horrible sinking feeling every time this happens because it paints an entire group with the same brush (by the ignorant), and they will be on the receiving end of this violence. Islamophobic attacks are only getting worse. And Muslims are killed in these Daesh atrocities too...!

qman said:

People like Tipote are well intentioned with their "cultural diversity" pipe dreams for the EU, many people in power that are pushing this policy are NOT looking for a utopia, they're trying to create social and economic chaos into the EU, they want a shit fest. Both will have blood on their hands because they are promoting something they know can NOT work, they will be held accountable when it goes bad, people like Merkel will be fleeing for their lives.

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I have previously acknowledged that there are always belligerents in war, and infiltrators. Russia, Turkey, Syria, Israel etc all have an interest in this being a shit fest for Europe. It doesnt have to be and a completely disorganised and uncooperative EU only makes this worse. I accept fully there are many problems and I fully realise that numerous changes need to be made in order for this to work.

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"The ignorant fucks who over react, and turn violent"

But will it even be a overreaction by the time they turn violent?  This is still small scale terrorism, what happens when they kill 5000-10,000 Germans in a large scale act, or even worse?  It's coming, it's just a matter of time.

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You only just said that it would be going overboard in their reactions and now youre asking whether it'll really be an overreaction?? Does that mean you condone violence in your extreme example? I'm not suggesting you are but i'm pointing out that when that argument is made FOR these islamic extremist groups, you would say that I am defending them. Muslims have been killed in the millions by Western states so they might agree with your point that maybe it isnt an overreaction. Do you understand what I'm saying? There seems to be a double standard here...

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Tipote said:

My point is not that colonisation is over and that colonisation of the past has caused these destructive situations, the point is that colonisation never ended - it just changed form.

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qman said:

Not a good comparison at all, we are talking about native EU citizens potentially over reacting to Muslims living inside of the EU, this is because they are being affected DIRECTLY from the present threat.

You're talking about Muslims in the EU overreacting to wars taking place 2000 miles away from where they currently reside, the current terrorism inside the EU can't be blamed or rationalized on those events.

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

My point is not that colonisation is over and that colonisation of the past has caused these destructive situations, the point is that colonisation never ended - it just changed form.

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I agree with this. Colonisation has changed form. Now it is in the form of Muslims colonising Europe and replacing the natives with their own people.

I think this is a bad thing which will lead to violence. Don't you?

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right..

I think you misunderstand the term colonisation. Google "neo-colonialism" or "post-colonialism" 

Yes maybe you could argue that some Muslim immigrants might think like that but the reality is that does not constitute colonisation or invasion. While that view might be held, it is a minority view. Refugees coming to Europe does not constitute a plot of colonisation. This idea would be the most incompetent form of colonisation ever!! There are muslim countries within Europe already for centuries.

so you think the plot is.. have babies..then what..? I was hoping you were smarter than this...

I'll await Bubbles to come in to call immigration a form of genocide