akira_akuma said:

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never stated that UKIP are a Liberal party

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akira_akuma said:

Bubbles85 said:

They're a socially Liberal party after all

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Bubbles85 said:

I don't deny past history and have never stated personally that any other race is inferior to another. But at the same time, I also do not feel that i have some type of moral duty to many migrants currently coming in to Europe, because after all, that is where all of this discussion stems from.

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Bubbles85 said:

I said socially Liberal, which in many respects, they can be considered.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Bubbles85 said:

I don't deny past history and have never stated personally that any other race is inferior to another. But at the same time, I also do not feel that i have some type of moral duty to many migrants currently coming in to Europe, because after all, that is where all of this discussion stems from.

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Right, I was more referring to qman's tangent about African or black people being inferior to whites. He firmly believes this. You know where I stand on immigration, and I think that you and I are of a similar mind here. I think Tipote is too, actually. However, you have to realize that you will find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with hard-line racists when you take this sort of position, and we must differentiate ourselves whenever possible.

These days people seem to take their ideologies to extremes. Moderation is key to everything in life. Ideological extremism tends to have very negative consequences.

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I don't believe that any human being is inferior to another, simply because of the amount of melanin in their skin. But at the same time i do feel that the race card gets thrown around alot by the left, as a means to simply silence what they don't want to hear. Especially when it comes down to things like immigration etc.

Moderation is a good standard to live by i guess. Especially when it comes down to drugs

Bubbles85 said:

I don't believe that any human being is inferior to another, simply because of the amount of melanin in their skin. But at the same time i do feel that the race card gets thrown around alot by the left, as a means to simply silence what they don't want to hear. Especially when it comes down to things like immigration etc.

Moderation is a good standard to live by i guess. Especially when it comes down to drugs

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akira_akuma said:

Bubbles85 said:

I said socially Liberal, which in many respects, they can be considered.

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oh true. but no, they aren't very socially liberal if they:

"UKIP opposed the introduction of same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom. It has supported the existence of selective education through the form of grammar schools. UKIP wants to repeal the Human Rights Act, and remove Britain from both the European Convention on Refugees and the European Convention on Human Rights."

sorry but that's some serious conservatism. they are not socially liberal. they are economically liberal. which is the worst kind of shitstain on the planet. good luck with your wealth redistribution plans.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Bubbles85 said:

I don't believe that any human being is inferior to another, simply because of the amount of melanin in their skin. But at the same time i do feel that the race card gets thrown around alot by the left, as a means to simply silence what they don't want to hear. Especially when it comes down to things like immigration etc.

Moderation is a good standard to live by i guess. Especially when it comes down to drugs

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The race card gets thrown around so often that the term 'racism' has lost a lot of it's meaning. For instance, I am very anti-Islam (Anti-religion in general, but I have a special place for Islam!), but I am not a fucking racist. My half brother's dad is from Kuwait, and I consider him to be my closest family member!

I think the fact that the race card is used excessively also encourages people to use that as a defense of their racism. It's all one big circle jerk. We can be anti-mass-immigration, without being racist. I'm pretty sure you support slow and controlled immigration, and that appears to be the way to go. Just like radical revolutionary changes in government never go over well, radical revolutionary changes in the demographic makeup of a nation have a very negative impact on social cohesion.

I agree with you about moderation with drugs and alcohol. I wish more people understood that! lol

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I agree with you, i think we have very similar views in many respects

airclay said:

^a medium opinion in accuracy. Devoid of a good but of historical reference and full of opinions.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Bubbles85 said:

I don't deny past history and have never stated personally that any other race is inferior to another. But at the same time, I also do not feel that i have some type of moral duty to many migrants currently coming in to Europe, because after all, that is where all of this discussion stems from.

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Right, I was more referring to qman's tangent about African or black people being inferior to whites. He firmly believes this. You know where I stand on immigration, and I think that you and I are of a similar mind here. I think Tipote is too, actually. However, you have to realize that you will find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with hard-line racists when you take this sort of position, and we must differentiate ourselves whenever possible.

These days people seem to take their ideologies to extremes. Moderation is key to everything in life. Ideological extremism tends to have very negative consequences.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Bubbles85 said:

I don't believe that any human being is inferior to another, simply because of the amount of melanin in their skin. But at the same time i do feel that the race card gets thrown around alot by the left, as a means to simply silence what they don't want to hear. Especially when it comes down to things like immigration etc.

Moderation is a good standard to live by i guess. Especially when it comes down to drugs

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The race card gets thrown around so often that the term 'racism' has lost a lot of it's meaning. For instance, I am very anti-Islam (Anti-religion in general, but I have a special place for Islam!), but I am not a fucking racist. My half brother's dad is from Kuwait, and I consider him to be my closest family member!

I think the fact that the race card is used excessively also encourages people to use that as a defense of their racism. It's all one big circle jerk. We can be anti-mass-immigration, without being racist. I'm pretty sure you support slow and controlled immigration, and that appears to be the way to go. Just like radical revolutionary changes in government never go over well, radical revolutionary changes in the demographic makeup of a nation have a very negative impact on social cohesion.

I agree with you about moderation with drugs and alcohol. I wish more people understood that! lol

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"We can be anti-mass immigration, without being racist"

I have always made the economic arguments when it has come to illegal and legal immigration, yet I still get labeled as racist.

qman said:

"qman's tangent about African or black people being inferior to whites. He firmly believes this."

Yet, I have never stated that, so that leaves you speculating on what I truly believe, why do that?

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akira_akuma said:

perhaps the other racist shit you've said that aided in your label.

qman said:

"qman's tangent about African or black people being inferior to whites. He firmly believes this."

Yet, I have never stated that, so that leaves you speculating on what I truly believe, why do that?

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what does your significant other think about race relations in the US, and immigration reform?

is it just swell for her? i mean she's gone through the process, nobody should get in without going though said process, right?

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akira_akuma said:

do immigration reform. no one is against you doing that. no one here at least.

not one person can i see.

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qman said:

akira_akuma said:

perhaps the other racist shit you've said that aided in your label.

qman said:

"qman's tangent about African or black people being inferior to whites. He firmly believes this."

Yet, I have never stated that, so that leaves you speculating on what I truly believe, why do that?

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what does your significant other think about race relations in the US, and immigration reform?

is it just swell for her? i mean she's gone through the process, nobody should get in without going though said process, right?

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My brother married a woman that was from Japan, she was in the US because she went to college here, they got married after she graduated.

I can't tell you the emotional, logistical, and financial hell they went through for her to get all her citizenship affairs in order.

Do you see the problem?  They got penalized for following the laws and rules!!

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