starfire_xes said:

The Rise of the Far Right is a fundamental reaction to the collapse of society brought on by authoritarian Statist government. 

Societies Rot From the inside.  The outright rejection of religion,

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family values, the family structure, and morals

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Family values? Go on.

Are you talking about the nuclear family structure? That unfortunately doesn't work for a lot of people either, but now that fags can marry, there will hopefully be more two parent homes

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at some level causes the rot to permeate through the lower levels of society; however, one must note that the rot has first eroded the structure of a people's government, leading to tyranny, loss of freedom, rights, and liberty, and ultimately, the destruction of the middle class.

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In the end, the people are left with a controlling, authoritarian, iron-fisted government This is the essence of statism, whether it arises from Capitalist or socialist government/economic systems.

The concept of 'Opium of the Masses,' attributed to Karl Marx, is well seen as one of the basic means of destruction of a society in order to institute an authoritarian, all-powerful government structure.

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Notice it says Congress; it says the people have free exercise of Religion at their choice.  What do we have in the US?  People attacking people to try to suppress their freedom of religion under the guise of 'Offending Someone'  This leads to the aforementioned decay of society as a whole.

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Are you saying Christianity is under attack!?!

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That is the reason I think the far right has risen; it is a reaction against the controlling governments.  And the same thing is happening in the US.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I think BOTH groups did some wrong, that's why I called it a shitfest disaster.

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Agreed.

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Bigbadwooof said:

starfire_xes said:

The Rise of the Far Right is a fundamental reaction to the collapse of society brought on by authoritarian Statist government. 

Societies Rot From the inside.  The outright rejection of religion,

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Religion is rot.

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family values, the family structure, and morals

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Family values? Go on.

Are you talking about the nuclear family structure? That unfortunately doesn't work for a lot of people either, but now that fags can marry, there will hopefully be more two parent homes

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at some level causes the rot to permeate through the lower levels of society; however, one must note that the rot has first eroded the structure of a people's government, leading to tyranny, loss of freedom, rights, and liberty, and ultimately, the destruction of the middle class.

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I don't think that the problems of society can be worked out quite so easily. I do agree with you that, in general, it is preferable to have a society which encourages a two parent household. Single-parent families can do just fine also, but there are often financial burdens beyond what one person can manage.

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In the end, the people are left with a controlling, authoritarian, iron-fisted government This is the essence of statism, whether it arises from Capitalist or socialist government/economic systems.

The concept of 'Opium of the Masses,' attributed to Karl Marx, is well seen as one of the basic means of destruction of a society in order to institute an authoritarian, all-powerful government structure.

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You sound like a right wing propagandist rag right now.

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Notice it says Congress; it says the people have free exercise of Religion at their choice.  What do we have in the US?  People attacking people to try to suppress their freedom of religion under the guise of 'Offending Someone'  This leads to the aforementioned decay of society as a whole.

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Are you saying Christianity is under attack!?!

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That is the reason I think the far right has risen; it is a reaction against the controlling governments.  And the same thing is happening in the US.

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The most controlling part of the US government is the right. The far right in the US wants to implement an authoritarian theocratic rule. They support police murders of innocent black folks, even when the evidence against them is plain as day. This is supporting authoritarianism, and the destruction of black families.

The right wing is generally anti-education in the US. This paves the way for authoritarianism more than anything else ever could.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I think BOTH groups did some wrong, that's why I called it a shitfest disaster.

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Agreed.

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Which goes back to my original thesis, "cultural diversity" (Africans and Muslims) within the EU is a failed concept.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I think BOTH groups did some wrong, that's why I called it a shitfest disaster.

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Agreed.

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Which goes back to my original thesis, "cultural diversity" (Africans and Muslims) within the EU is a failed concept.

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I think that your conclusion is a bit far-fetched. Cultural diversity works just fine, if the relationship between cultures is cultivated properly. Mass immigration is just asking too much too fast.

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qman said:

Who is this "far right" that you speak of in the government?

"They support police murders of innocent black folks"

Proof?

"is generally anti-education"

Examples?

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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

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After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.

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starfire_xes said:

Do you not think that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao used the destruction of the family and religion to control their people??? 

If you disagree, then yes, you would believe I am spewing propaganda.

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In the end, the people are left with a controlling, authoritarian, iron-fisted government This is the essence of statism, whether it arises from Capitalist or socialist government/economic systems.

The concept of 'Opium of the Masses,' attributed to Karl Marx, is well seen as one of the basic means of destruction of a society in order to institute an authoritarian, all-powerful government structure.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

Who is this "far right" that you speak of in the government?

"They support police murders of innocent black folks"

Proof?

"is generally anti-education"

Examples?

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Example:

Official stance of the Republican party of Texas:

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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html

The Texas school board, which controls most of the textbooks in America, has decided to remove any negative history (about America) from textbooks, and revamp economics books to have a bias toward unfettered capitalism.

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After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?_r=0

I could pull up more, if you like, but it's a pretty well established fact that Right wing American is anti-education. Do we really have to do this? The only people I've seen make fun of 'fancy pants college degrees' are right wingers. You can probably find 20 posts from HU along these lines.

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I hardly think a bunch of Christian fools on a Texas school board makes your statement true, also people have always debated what should be included and excluded in textbooks, that shouldn't be a issue.

The vast majority of college educated people I know are NOT liberal, most likely moderate or conservative. I'm not talking about students or recent graduates.

starfire_xes said:

' which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." '

Bigbad, i see you are in favor of indoctrination of children.

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qman said:

I hardly think a bunch of Christian fools on a Texas school board makes your statement true, also people have always debated what should be included and excluded in textbooks, that shouldn't be a issue.

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The vast majority of college educated people I know are NOT liberal, most likely moderate or conservative. I'm not talking about students or recent graduates.

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starfire_xes said:

You should read Karl Marx.  Then you would know what you are talking about. 

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lol! Says the guy who thinks Bernie Sanders is a communist!

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Destruction of the family.  How many black families are single parent compared to white.  Remember, I said it starts at the lowest level and moves to the middle class.  Who started it?  Good old LBJ.

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Huh? You're saying LBJ caused an epidemic of black single parenthood? Go on, prove it!  

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More than 19 million children -- about one in four -- were living in households where no father, biological or other, was present, according to a Census Bureau report in 2005.

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The statistics also show that this burden falls more heavily on black children. Some 56 percent of black children lived in single-parent families in 2004, with most of those families headed by mothers. That figure compared with 22 percent of white children and 31 percent of Hispanic children.

"Father absence in the African American communities, across America, has hit those communities with the force of 100 hurricane Katrinas," said Phillip Jackson, executive director of the Chicago-based Black Star Project, which helps children in mainly minority schools.

"It is literally decimating our communities and we have no adequate response to it."

Easy to find the stats.  This article sources the census bureau.

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Bigbadwooof said:

starfire_xes said:

You should read Karl Marx.  Then you would know what you are talking about. 

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lol! Says the guy who thinks Bernie Sanders is a communist!

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Destruction of the family.  How many black families are single parent compared to white.  Remember, I said it starts at the lowest level and moves to the middle class.  Who started it?  Good old LBJ.

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Huh? You're saying LBJ caused an epidemic of black single parenthood? Go on, prove it!  

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More than 19 million children -- about one in four -- were living in households where no father, biological or other, was present, according to a Census Bureau report in 2005.

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What does that have to do with our conversation?

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The statistics also show that this burden falls more heavily on black children. Some 56 percent of black children lived in single-parent families in 2004, with most of those families headed by mothers. That figure compared with 22 percent of white children and 31 percent of Hispanic children.

"Father absence in the African American communities, across America, has hit those communities with the force of 100 hurricane Katrinas," said Phillip Jackson, executive director of the Chicago-based Black Star Project, which helps children in mainly minority schools.

"It is literally decimating our communities and we have no adequate response to it."

Easy to find the stats.  This article sources the census bureau.

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Ok... what is your point?

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I hardly think a bunch of Christian fools on a Texas school board makes your statement true, also people have always debated what should be included and excluded in textbooks, that shouldn't be a issue.

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Did you miss the 'Official stance of the Texas Republican party'?

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The vast majority of college educated people I know are NOT liberal, most likely moderate or conservative. I'm not talking about students or recent graduates.

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Hmm, that sounds like an unsupportable anecdote. The vast majority of college educated people that I know are Lefties. In fact, Conservative states on-the-whole have poorer education. Sam Brownback saw fit to allow highschool dropouts to teach highschool classes without any training.

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starfire_xes said:

That the decay of the family structure leads to poverty.  And this in turn is exploited by Tryants.  Johnson's new deal didn't help blacks.

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Bernie was a membor of the SDS among other things.  You should know that.  Now, that was just a good ole organization with no ties to communism, right?  Bernie is a socialist, but he isn't going to move the means of production to the people?  Hmmmmm......I guess he isn't a socialist.  So what is he?

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qman said:

I lived in one of the most affluent counties in the US for 20 years, it was filled with the most highly educated professionals (attorneys, doctors, corporate executives, teachers, PhD's) you could ever find, they were NOT liberals!!  They even voted 60% Republican and I can tell you the one's that voted Democratic weren't liberal, more like conservative moderates.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I lived in one of the most affluent counties in the US for 20 years, it was filled with the most highly educated professionals (attorneys, doctors, corporate executives, teachers, PhD's) you could ever find, they were NOT liberals!!  They even voted 60% Republican and I can tell you the one's that voted Democratic weren't liberal, more like conservative moderates.

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That's simply because Republicans were going to lower their taxes. What's your point?

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I lived in one of the most affluent counties in the US for 20 years, it was filled with the most highly educated professionals (attorneys, doctors, corporate executives, teachers, PhD's) you could ever find, they were NOT liberals!!  They even voted 60% Republican and I can tell you the one's that voted Democratic weren't liberal, more like conservative moderates.

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That's simply because Republicans were going to lower their taxes. What's your point?

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