Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

Or rather that everything is political. eg. if you bomb a people, those people will resist you whether that means peaceful demonstrations, armed uprisings or even terrorism. religion can be a useful tool especially in these situations.

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But the people who protest in the UK (i.e radicalized Mulims) "because i assume that is who you are referring to here" Are not being bombed, or mistreated. They have full equal rights in the UK and are actually treated very well.

They need to shut the fuck up imo.

If they hate democracy and the UK so much, fucking move out.

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So only the bombed people have a right to complain? People in the UK whether they are muslim, christian, fucking jedi, can still protest on behalf of someone. Look at the protest of 1 million people against the Iraq war. How many of that 1 million were Iraqis who they themselves have been bombed? This is a silly notion.

We can connect to these people being bombed and demonstrate in solidarity.

Those muslims within the country that protest have more direct ancestral links to the region. Just because they are in the West maybe even for many generations, doesnt mean they will forget their roots and family history. But as i've said, this not the more necessary component. It is being human.

About democracy.. many people - not just muslims- are disappointed and not represented in our democracy. Our version of democracy is very flawed and democracy is dangerous without an educated and informed populace. Muslims or non muslims still protest and demonstrate as part of the democracy. Yes you can find many who choose other means but if people are demonstrating its because they are following democratic protocol.

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They get better representation than they ever did in their homelands, instead of being grateful for that freedom they spit on the people that provide that new opportunity.

My Polish ancestors didn't march in the faces of the native population to tell them how horrible they were and how they were going to destroy the country.

Tipote said:

Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

i agree. both of them are pretty out of touch but slowly things are changing

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Islam's not just pretty out of touch, it's very out of touch. Compared to western reform on many modern issues, it's down right monolithic.

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I think you dont understand the term monolithic. I'm not disputing that many parts of islam and christianity are hugely out of touch. Christianity has come further partly because it hasnt been under a state of war in the same way, its been in largely peaceful rich western states. War has a radicalising effect on religion and everything. This is not the only reason.

Islam is practicsd in all kind of different ways. The kurds as we repeatedly put forward are calling for equality between men and women. Not all muslims are religious nuts like many Saudis and Daesh members. There is diversity in all religion. Not all jews are religious nuts, a minority actually. A state of war agaisnt islam is fuel to spread the Wahabisation of Sunni Islam. This is the danger. Our states have empowered that ultra conservative brand of nutty islam to spread over the world for political and economic reasons.

Many of those coming to Europe are young. Secularism is very adoptable for the muslim youth. Many arent even that religious. many of those second generation muslims in the West are already acclimatised to secular society. In some muslim majority states, secularism is promoted. Its not an aspect that is incompatible with all kinds of Islam.

Islam can come far in a short space of time (and already has), just as Christianity has. Daesh is a poison within Islam and this internal battle within Islam continues.

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Icelander said:

Bubbles85 said:

Icelander said:

If you want to be a guest in my house leave your religion at the door.

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We can all but dream

Although i contest all religion, there is only one that is causing more trouble for the citizens of Earth than all of them combined.



Sure there's plenty of Christian fuck tards in places like Africa, but in the West, their shit be pretty straight.

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Not in my opinion.  Christians left out of check would decide your fate if you're  gay, or want and abortion, and on and on.

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Icelander said:

If you want to be a guest in my house leave your religion at the door.

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Malkuthian said:

Where is your fact that "they" don't respect western culture?

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zappaisgod said:

Icelander said:

Bubbles85 said:

Icelander said:

If you want to be a guest in my house leave your religion at the door.

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We can all but dream

Although i contest all religion, there is only one that is causing more trouble for the citizens of Earth than all of them combined.



Sure there's plenty of Christian fuck tards in places like Africa, but in the West, their shit be pretty straight.

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Not in my opinion.  Christians left out of check would decide your fate if you're  gay, or want and abortion, and on and on.

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I don't think Christians would choose death as your fate.  The Muslims would and do.

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Some christians would and do  and not all Muslims would although many would. So...

zappaisgod said:

Icelander said:

If you want to be a guest in my house leave your religion at the door.

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Do I have to leave my atheism at the door?

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No, just your shoes.

Icelander said:

zappaisgod said:

Icelander said:

If you want to be a guest in my house leave your religion at the door.

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Do I have to leave my atheism at the door?

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No, just your shoes.

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qman said:

Malkuthian said:

Where is your fact that "they" don't respect western culture?

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Malkuthian said:

How does this prove that they don't respect us, rather than that they are over represented when it comes to some types of crime?

The people you are referring to is not the majority...

Your exaggerations makes it impossible to take you seriously.

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bennylava said:

lol at all the fools who think a nation can be taxed into prosperity. Just lol.

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

Malkuthian said:

Where is your fact that "they" don't respect western culture?

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How does this prove that they don't respect us, rather than that they are over represented when it comes to some types of crime?

The people you are referring to is not the majority...

Your exaggerations makes it impossible to take you seriously.

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"How does this prove that they don't respect us"

When law enforcement can't even enter Muslim sections in the country, that's a lack of respect!

"The people you are referring to is not the majority"

Does it really matter if it's 45% or 65% of the Muslim population?  Why are you constantly fixated on minority or majority?  It's immaterial.

"Your exaggerations"

Pointing out facts you don't want to hear aren't exaggerations.