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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
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If you go to mosque to pray, i would say that you probably are a Muslim :lol:


is this a joke?


:bushtaliban:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
"At the end of the day, if the native population doesn't want the illegals or "refugees", it shouldn't be forced upon them, it makes no sense.


You consistently conflate illegal immigration and the refugees. No one is calling for illegal immigrants to be let in.
qman said:
airclay said:
because I work from a base that considers all people equals, you know the golden rule and the like :shrug:


The average American is more concerned about their favorite TV show, video game, or restaurant.

If their child's school system has been flooded with a bunch of illegals, that has a DIRECT impact on their family's well-being, the US military and its actions overseas doesn't.


again, you talk about illegals when we are talking about refugees.

the fact is, events 5000 miles away do impact Americans directly. Who do you think pays for all these wars? Do you think those costs don't impact Americans directly? Terrorism for one is a direct impact from events so far away.

I accept that many people, especially Americans dont care whats happening beyond their little bubbles. You seem to suggest that ignorance of the facts mean people dont care about refugees. Yup


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Did anyone see the video about the refugee cat?

its a nice story.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"At the end of the day, if the native population doesn't want the illegals or "refugees", it shouldn't be forced upon them, it makes no sense.


You consistently conflate illegal immigration and the refugees. No one is calling for illegal immigrants to be let in.
qman said:
airclay said:
because I work from a base that considers all people equals, you know the golden rule and the like :shrug:


The average American is more concerned about their favorite TV show, video game, or restaurant.

If their child's school system has been flooded with a bunch of illegals, that has a DIRECT impact on their family's well-being, the US military and its actions overseas doesn't.


again, you talk about illegals when we are talking about refugees.

the fact is, events 5000 miles away do impact Americans directly. Who do you think pays for all these wars? Do you think those costs don't impact Americans directly? Terrorism for one is a direct impact from events so far away.

I accept that many people, especially Americans dont care whats happening beyond their little bubbles. You seem to suggest that ignorance of the facts mean people dont care about refugees. Yup


"events 5000 miles away do impact Americans directly"

Nope, out of sight out of mind.  The cost of the wars never made any difference to the average Americans tax bill, it was the same regardless of the wars.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"events 5000 miles away do impact Americans directly"

Nope, out of sight out of mind.  The cost of the wars never made any difference to the average Americans tax bill, it was the same regardless of the wars.


the money is perhaps more indirectly. I was actually agreeing with you that people live in their bubbles. Even so, it doesnt make it ok. An informed public puts 1 and 1 together to understand the relationships with the foreign and domestic. Americans are especially within their bubbles because of the media which puts the US and the center of the universe. In Europe, we at least are aware of the main events in US politics. The same cannot be said of events in Europe as seen by Americans..unless it is Prince William's having a baby.

I did say: "Terrorism for one is a direct impact from events so far away."


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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You have a very odd definition of "direct."


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Did anyone see the video about the refugee cat?

its a nice story.



My mom is a cat lady... she'll love this one lmao.. she smuggled a cat to America from Russia on an airplane once lmao!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"events 5000 miles away do impact Americans directly"

Nope, out of sight out of mind.  The cost of the wars never made any difference to the average Americans tax bill, it was the same regardless of the wars.


the money is perhaps more indirectly. I was actually agreeing with you that people live in their bubbles. Even so, it doesnt make it ok. An informed public puts 1 and 1 together to understand the relationships with the foreign and domestic. Americans are especially within their bubbles because of the media which puts the US and the center of the universe. In Europe, we at least are aware of the main events in US politics. The same cannot be said of events in Europe as seen by Americans..unless it is Prince William's having a baby.

I did say: "Terrorism for one is a direct impact from events so far away."


I think American's are more in a 'bubble' also, because we are separated by 2 oceans from most of the world. European countries have many countries bordering them, and near them, so they get more involved in staying informed about foreign politics. I'm sure Europeans don't keep up on Korean or Vietnamese politics.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"At the end of the day, if the native population doesn't want the illegals or "refugees", it shouldn't be forced upon them, it makes no sense.


You consistently conflate illegal immigration and the refugees.


How could you not when their all coming in together? It's exactly the same thing, their just coming in for different reasons.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
How could you not when their all coming in together? It's exactly the same thing, their just coming in for different reasons.


YOU JUUUUST SAID IT

:speechless:

we're finally getting somewhere with these people but holy hell....

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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What they hell are you blabbing on about now :lol: Are you consistently high when you post on these boards?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
You have a very odd definition of "direct."


How is terrorism not directly and indirectly affecting people?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Strawman much?

You said that terrorism is a "direct impact" from American interventions in the middle east.  That's a very broad definition of "direct."  Now, you're saying that terrorism directly affects people, a point that no one has ever contested.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
My mom is a cat lady... she'll love this one lmao.. she smuggled a cat to America from Russia on an airplane once lmao!


haha :lol: wtf how did she do that!?

catz rule

Bigbadwooof said:
I think American's are more in a 'bubble' also, because we are separated by 2 oceans from most of the world. European countries have many countries bordering them, and near them, so they get more involved in staying informed about foreign politics. I'm sure Europeans don't keep up on Korean or Vietnamese politics.


Yeh absolutely I agree. There is a proximity factor as you say.

But i imagine Americans generally know fuck all about South American or even Canadian politics. I don't know.

About Korean and Vietnamese politics, youre right that generally people won't know much but at least the key events are definitely in the media. Less so in the US but its still there.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
What they hell are you blabbing on about now :lol: Are you consistently high when you post on these boards?


He likes to say things that only he himself understands.  I just ignore him.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
I did say: "Terrorism for one is a direct impact from events so far away."


You do realize that the majority of people who carry out Islamic terrorist attacks on European, or American soil, are born and bread in these places right?

Why do they feel they need to carry out such atrocities, because of events that are taking place in the Middle East?

Is it maybe because, in truth, they hate the West and they do not really consider them selves to be part our culture, or identify them selves as European or American, even tho they may have been born here?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
Bubbles85 said:
What they hell are you blabbing on about now :lol: Are you consistently high when you post on these boards?


He likes to say things that only he himself understands.  I just ignore him.


:leocheers:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Strawman much?

You said that terrorism is a "direct impact" from American interventions in the middle east.  That's a very broad definition of "direct."  Now, you're saying that terrorism directly affects people, a point that no one has ever contested.


I wasn't trying to straw man, i was trying to understand what aspect you were disputing as direct.

Youre right that my statement wasn't right. Terrorism is an indirect cause from intervention elsewhere. I meant rather that terrorism directly affects people in the US, whether it comes directly or indirectly from US wars is not the original point. It is that people are affected, even within their bubbles, by events far away.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
What they hell are you blabbing on about now :lol: Are you consistently high when you post on these boards?


yeah, but that's not relevant. ever.

you said "how can you not conflate the issue of immigrants and refugees when they're all coming together"

and you also said in the same post that "they're just coming in for different reasons."

which is exactly what should be discussed because people always seem to mix up the IMMIGRATION problem and the REFUGEE problem (and the "Muslim problem" too) all INTO ONE BIG CLUSTER FUCK, and then CONFUSE them for one another, which is a fucking debacle and travesty.

the OBJECTIVE MERITS of the problems should be discussed, but INSTEAD -- and read me well here -- instead we get people inflating the conflict through equivocation, and slippery slopes of logic and boundless irrationality! but you...you do not see it.

Bubbles85 said:
WAN said:
Bubbles85 said:
What they hell are you blabbing on about now :lol: Are you consistently high when you post on these boards?


He likes to say things that only he himself understands.  I just ignore him.


:leocheers:


that is utterly ignorant of you.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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The problem with tying terrorism to U.S. intervention is that it is like tying cancer to smoking.  Humans don't respond to long-term consequences the same way they respond to short-term ones.  Yeah, someday a cig will kill you, but not today or this week, so fuck it.  Similarly, yeah...someday the people we bomb are going to be pissed and hit us back, but not today or this week.

That's why the direct/indirect designation matters.  Humans will generally try to avoid conduct that directly harms them.  Conduct that indirectly harms them, not so much.


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