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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
viktor said:
He also really hates Israel.


I'm no fan of Israel either.


Most progressives aren't...

Progressives always root for the underdog, even if they are gay killing, women torturing, child molesting Muslim pigs...


Not exactly. I just don't like America being Netanyahu's lapdog. I think the war between Palestine and Israel would have been solved long ago without American intervention, and I don't support genocide. Israel should take what they've got, and give up on Gaza.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
Shins said:
Hostile; ever read talmud?  Judaism is just as bad or worse than Islam.


No, and I don't think so...

Is modern Judaism just as bad as modern Islam? Christianity and Judaism have modernized, Islam has not. Even prosperous countries that are ruled by Islam have some backwards ass laws concerning women and gays...


This is true. Jews by and large reject much of the nonsense in their religious texts. However, the Jewish religion is probably worse, on paper, than any other monotheistic religion (ironically, including Satanism, which tends to be quite humanitarian).


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Shins said:
Hostile; ever read talmud?  Judaism is just as bad or worse than Islam.


No, and I don't think so...

Is modern Judaism just as bad as modern Islam? Christianity and Judaism have modernized, Islam has not. Even prosperous countries that are ruled by Islam have some backwards ass laws concerning women and gays...



I strongly encourage you to read talmud.  It is a nasty piece of Jewish supremacist filth.  Basically take everything the nazis believed and the jews believe it too.  They consider every non-Jewish to be sub-human animals to be murdered, enslaved, and robbed at the whim and benefit of the jews. 


Also do you know anything about the history of banking and about how the zionist elite have basically all but enslaved the world with fraudulent monetary systems which leech the lifeblood of nations into the coffers of zionist bankers?


Just because jews are smarter and more well developed than muslims doesn't mean judaism is any better than Islam.  On the contrary, an intelligent adversary is more dangerous than a stupid one.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
Shins said:
Hostile; ever read talmud?  Judaism is just as bad or worse than Islam.


No, and I don't think so...

Is modern Judaism just as bad as modern Islam? Christianity and Judaism have modernized, Islam has not. Even prosperous countries that are ruled by Islam have some backwards ass laws concerning women and gays...


This is true. Jews by and large reject much of the nonsense in their religious texts. However, the Jewish religion is probably worse, on paper, than any other monotheistic religion (ironically, including Satanism, which tends to be quite humanitarian).


I don't think so, I think they just keep their mouths shut.

There are groups who reject talmud, but they are few and far between.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 4
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All religions are crap.
That does not mean religious people are worth less than others.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
All religions are crap.
That does not mean religious people are worth less than others.



I don't think it's right to group all religions together like that. 


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 1
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Shins said:
Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
Shins said:
Hostile; ever read talmud?  Judaism is just as bad or worse than Islam.


No, and I don't think so...

Is modern Judaism just as bad as modern Islam? Christianity and Judaism have modernized, Islam has not. Even prosperous countries that are ruled by Islam have some backwards ass laws concerning women and gays...


This is true. Jews by and large reject much of the nonsense in their religious texts. However, the Jewish religion is probably worse, on paper, than any other monotheistic religion (ironically, including Satanism, which tends to be quite humanitarian).


I don't think so, I think they just keep their mouths shut.

There are groups who reject talmud, but they are few and far between.


Most Jews are not devoutly religious.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
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"Secular jews" aren't really jews though.  There are muslims who are like that too.


Point is; judaism is just as bad as Islam.

People just avoid criticizing jews because they ate ball-less cowards who are SCARED of the scorn of the public pro-jewish hypnotism


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 1
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Shins said:
Malkuthian said:
All religions are crap.
That does not mean religious people are worth less than others.



I don't think it's right to group all religions together like that. 


Yeah, Jainism is pretty harmless, and Buddhism has caused very few problems in the world.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 3
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Shins said:
Malkuthian said:
All religions are crap.
That does not mean religious people are worth less than others.



I don't think it's right to group all religions together like that. 


Nice one.

Yea, it might be a generalization, but it's the idea of organizing faith that I would say is crap.
Faith is something personal, not something organized. All religions are per definition organized, hence they are all crap. There a lot of good ideas in all of them though... But the concept of following a religion is still crap.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Malkuthian]
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even personal faith is crap.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Anything that I don't do or agree with is crap.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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everything is crap.

crap allows shit to grow.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
everything is crap.

crap allows shit to grow.


Shit allows mushrooms to grow.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 2
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The point was that it's not relevant what ones opinions are regarding  the faith of others, when discussing how to handle the people in Syria fleeing for their lives. Yes, their religions are crap, so what?

And regarding generalizations: I am certainly not against them. My opinion on Islam is that's its generally crap. But this is just a generalized opinion, I would not choose to act towards Muslims based on this. All people are different, even the ones with using the same epithet.

Generalizations are one thing, acting based on them another...

"even personal faith is crap."
I hope this is some sort of irony.


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Edited by Malkuthian (02/21/16 04:15 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
akira_akuma said:
everything is crap.

crap allows shit to grow.


Shit allows mushrooms to grow.


well, yeah, my "shit" was rhetorical -- i mean crap grows shit, like, c'mon, give me a break! :lolsy:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
WAN said:
Tipote said:
I pay my taxes and in a world where we only hope that our governments represent us, I expect my government to do the right thing with my tax money. Naive, i know.


No.  Governments are not supposed to be doing the "right thing" with our tax money.  Their priority should always be about their citizens.  This is their duty.

Another issue I have with your sentiment is that there is no way to agree on what constitutes the "right thing".  People have different ideas for it.  For example, you think that helping refugees is the "right thing", but what if I think that rescuing animals in the labs all around the world is the "right thing". And I am not just saying it to be disagreeable--I actually do care about animals very deeply.  So right away you can see that we would be at an impasse.  And who should the government listen to?  Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?


The priority is to represent its citizens. Many of whom are saying we should accept refugees and fund/support the organisations looking after refugees in the region so they significantly slow down the influx of people into other countries.


So there are citizens who want to help refugees and who demand that their government do so.  But what about the will of people who DONT want to help refugees?  Should they just be ignored?  They have their own will that also should be respected and represented by their government.  So who/which side should the government listen to?

The way I see it, people who want to help refugees should do so through some type of voluntary, non-governmental organization.  If they want to help refugees, they can take money from out of their own pockets.  They shouldn't hijack the political process to suit their own ends (referring to the helping of refugees).  Remember, there are people who are against helping refugees and these people and their voices should be taken into account, too.

Edited by WAN (02/21/16 04:26 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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they do not have to help refugees. they are fine.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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The conflict has escalated massively and its clear the Western powers won't do shit so people accept to leave because they have no choice


So now it's the "West" responsibility to protect them? I thought Arabs dont want us messing in their affairs?

It's such BS, if we intervene, we are the bad guy, if we don't, we are the bad guy. Must be nice to blame absolutely everything on the west no matter what they do...


The US is the world's top dog because it wants to be. It spends more money on its military than the next 10 countries combined, it talks of universal values extending beyond the US. It talks of a lot of things to justify its huge military budget. But when it comes to it, they do not exercise universal values. They put themselves in the position of hegemony and then deny the responsibility that comes with that power.

You seem to think that if the US is involved in other country then it can only fuck things up. That is not true. The point about interference in other countries is often very negative and damaging.. it refers to the propping up of despots to control the population, fuelling conflicts and groups like Daesh etc etc. for Britain and France it refers to colonial era wars and cutting up the land. For the West in general - coups and invasions for much more than 50 years.
Is this the only way that countries can deal with the region? no!

Syrians were calling for democracy, they were calling for freedom from tyranny but the US interest, or rather the Israeli interest, is perpetual war between many actors throughout the region. Watch as all these countries are cut up and demolished.

The US is full of shit if those words of universal values are not met with actions.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Tipote said:
If they go to Europe, to an extent you can imagine its because they are open to Western societies.


No, it's because of all the free shit. Japan isn't offering it, neither is Canada, the USA, Australia, NZ, Israel or Saudi Arabia. So they're not trying to get into these places.

They're coming to Europe because they know Europe is a soft touch.


im curious.. do you actually believe this?

it couldnt be perhaps that the West is supposed to stand for democracy and freedom? Or even proximity? Why would refugees try to go to Japan and Canada if Europe is closer? How would refugees get to the US? to Japan? etc. Refugees are walking from Syria to Sweden in some cases!!

Europe is a soft touch? right...

you are clearly deluded.


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