WAN said:

Tipote said:

I pay my taxes and in a world where we only hope that our governments represent us, I expect my government to do the right thing with my tax money. Naive, i know.

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No.  Governments are not supposed to be doing the "right thing" with our tax money.  Their priority should always be about their citizens.  This is their duty.

Another issue I have with your sentiment is that there is no way to agree on what constitutes the "right thing".  People have different ideas for it.  For example, you think that helping refugees is the "right thing", but what if I think that rescuing animals in the labs all around the world is the "right thing". And I am not just saying it to be disagreeable--I actually do care about animals very deeply.  So right away you can see that we would be at an impasse.  And who should the government listen to?  Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

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hostileuniverse said:

Back on topic, yeah, animals are a much more worthwhile cause than a bunch of filthy, lazy, raping refugees...

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hostileuniverse said:

Right now, the refugees outnumber ISIS 40-1, yet they all run like little bitches. If my state was invaded, my neighbors and I wouldn't flee, we'd fight.

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night_shift said:

WAN said:

No.  YOUR argument is the stupid one. Just because you personally are willing to help refugees, it doesn't mean you get to force it on your fellow countrymen who are not willing to do so.

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Thanks for letting me know, I was under the impression I was the ruler or something.

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viktor said:

hostileuniverse said:

Right now, the refugees outnumber ISIS 40-1, yet they all run like little bitches. If my state was invaded, my neighbors and I wouldn't flee, we'd fight.

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Yeah but there are guys like Malkuthian and Tipote who will let you into their country and you'll never have to work again, just go on welfare and they'll tax their countrymen to pay for it.

It's obvious that most of these "refugees" haven't been within 100 miles of an ISIS fighter, but are rather taking their chances on free European citizenship while the borders were still open.

Personally I'd be doing the same thing. The open borders crowd won't be in power in Europe for very long so the opportunities are running out.

What's the point in fighting ISIS when you can just scream about drowning babies and you get free welfare for life somewhere else?

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Yeah, I guess when you actually LIKE where you live, things are different, these people probably hate Syria so much they look for any excuse to leave it...

qman said:

Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".
Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".

Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer.

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I despise religion. I can see Christians doing the same thing. Aside from the crowd shouting 'Jihad', which is clearly inciting violence.

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For sure, there's a bunch of nut cases on both sides.  Tip continues to defend the actions of Muslims regardless of that fact.

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I've said a few times now that I hate Choudary and his gang.

I've recognised nutjobs on all sides.

I'm a people sympathiser. I dont defend Choudary and his gang. That doesnt mean I can't see what fuels them.

WAN said:

Tipote said:

I pay my taxes and in a world where we only hope that our governments represent us, I expect my government to do the right thing with my tax money. Naive, i know.

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No.  Governments are not supposed to be doing the "right thing" with our tax money.  Their priority should always be about their citizens.  This is their duty.

Another issue I have with your sentiment is that there is no way to agree on what constitutes the "right thing".  People have different ideas for it.  For example, you think that helping refugees is the "right thing", but what if I think that rescuing animals in the labs all around the world is the "right thing". And I am not just saying it to be disagreeable--I actually do care about animals very deeply.  So right away you can see that we would be at an impasse.  And who should the government listen to?  Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

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hostileuniverse said:

I completely agree, animals are unable to help themselves, humans are, or should be able to. Right now, the refugees outnumber ISIS 40-1, yet they all run like little bitches.

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yeh man, they should just rush them with no weapons. should work well, no problem.

Ive asked you before - with what weapons are they going to do this?

Can you imagine that in some cases humans are able to help themselves?

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If my state was invaded, my neighbors and I wouldn't flee, we'd fight. But then, we have weapons too, something progressives seem hellbent on changing, I wonder why...

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Back on topic, yeah, animals are a much more worthwhile cause than a bunch of filthy, lazy, raping "refugees"...

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viktor said:

hostileuniverse said:

Right now, the refugees outnumber ISIS 40-1, yet they all run like little bitches. If my state was invaded, my neighbors and I wouldn't flee, we'd fight.

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Yeah but there are guys like Malkuthian and Tipote who will let you into their country and you'll never have to work again, just go on welfare and they'll tax their countrymen to pay for it.

It's obvious that most of these "refugees" haven't been within 100 miles of an ISIS fighter, but are rather taking their chances on free European citizenship while the borders were still open.

Personally I'd be doing the same thing. The open borders crowd won't be in power in Europe for very long so the opportunities are running out.

What's the point in fighting ISIS when you can just scream about drowning babies and you get free welfare for life somewhere else?

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hostileuniverse said:

Yeah, I guess when you actually LIKE where you live, things are different, these people probably hate Syria so much they look for any excuse to leave it...

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one of the stupidest things ive heard you say hostile.

They love Syria. If they hated Syria, they would have been flooding out before.

The war started in 2011, how do you account for people not leaving immediately in 2011 when they could claim refugee status?

People didnt leave in 2011 because they had hope. The conflict has escalated massively and its clear the Western powers won't do shit so people accept to leave because they have no choice. That is why the mass migration is more recent.
Many refugees have already been talking about going back to syria even though it means certain death. They say "why get killed slowly in Europe when I can die in my homeland". 

If you look at my photography thread, which i know you do. you will see that before the war Syria was an absolutely beautiful country. Syrians love their country and its just plain ridiculous to suggest they wouldnt just because you dont like arabs.

I'm starting to wonder if youre on the spectrum or just have an extreme lack of empathy.

Icelander said:

Yeah, I guess when you actually LIKE where you live, things are different, these people probably hate Syria so much they look for any excuse to leave it...


That's the problem as I see it.  Until we can find a way to accurately separate the people who would hate Syria and embrace another culture  fully then IMO it's dangerous to let them in. Why aren't we working on that? Or are we and it's failing?

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The conflict has escalated massively and its clear the Western powers won't do shit so people accept to leave because they have no choice

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Tipote said:

If they go to Europe, to an extent you can imagine its because they are open to Western societies.

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Tipote said:

I have suspicions that hostile universe is a secret muslim. Maybe we can get him sent to gitmo.

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I thought you were the secret Muslim brother? Actually, not really that secret, since you admit to going to mosque to pray and have stated that you have many Muslims in you're family?

viktor said:

He also really hates Israel.

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Bigbadwooof said:

viktor said:

He also really hates Israel.

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I'm no fan of Israel either.

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Shins said:

Hostile; ever read talmud?  Judaism is just as bad or worse than Islam.

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