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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"certain comments can be particularly destructive at times like these"

Let me guess, only comments that are against the policy you and the governments are pushing?

What about comments which force Europeans into accepting third world people that are destructive to their standard of living?  That's OK!!!


I'm not talking about comments showing dissent, i'm talking about comments that advocate violence.

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"some comments can incite violence"

Only if those comments are about Muslims, when it's towards the native population, it's OK.


you said that, not me.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
qman said:
"certain comments can be particularly destructive at times like these"

Let me guess, only comments that are against the policy you and the governments are pushing?

What about comments which force Europeans into accepting third world people that are destructive to their standard of living?  That's OK!!!


I'm not talking about comments showing dissent, i'm talking about comments that advocate violence.

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"some comments can incite violence"

Only if those comments are about Muslims, when it's towards the native population, it's OK.


you said that, not me.


Comments can incite violence, and they can put out fires. Speech should not be stifled, regardless. Whether it is Hitler or Ghandi.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Muslims in the UK don't seem to give a shit.




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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Tipote said:
qman said:
"certain comments can be particularly destructive at times like these"

Let me guess, only comments that are against the policy you and the governments are pushing?

What about comments which force Europeans into accepting third world people that are destructive to their standard of living?  That's OK!!!


I'm not talking about comments showing dissent, i'm talking about comments that advocate violence.

Quote:
"some comments can incite violence"

Only if those comments are about Muslims, when it's towards the native population, it's OK.


you said that, not me.


Comments can incite violence, and they can put out fires. Speech should not be stifled, regardless. Whether it is Hitler or Ghandi.


i agree for the most part which is why i said I dont agree totally with the UK policy. But in my mind there is a line. The problem is that its not always clear and enforcement can easily be used to stifle dissent.

Large amounts of responsibility of the Rwandan genocide go to 2 main radio stations which encouraged people to slaughter entire villages.

I've heard people in the US say the phrase "you can't yell 'fire' in a movie threatre".


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Muslims in the UK don't seem to give a shit.






what violence? perhaps i missed it.

what hate speech? incitement to violence? meh. provocative? yes, certainly

dont get me wrong, i hate choudary and his gang. he is a fucking prick. Its just wrong to think this is representative or the full story. Sure some people think like this and perhaps increasingly so. Alienation of muslims who don't think like this doesnt help, it only fuels those choudary assholes.


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Edited by Tipote (02/20/16 08:24 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
what violence? perhaps i missed it.

what hate speech? incitement to violence? meh. provocative? yes, certainly

dont get me wrong, i hate choudary and his gang. he is a fucking prick. Its just wrong to think this is representative or the full story. Sure some people think like this and perhaps increasingly so. Alienation of muslims who don't think like this doesnt help, it only fuels those choudary assholes.


Hate speech? How about the signs that said 'Freedom and Democracy on Deathrow' and 'Islam will destroy America'?


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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turn it on its head. people in the west saying they will destroy islam or destroy the middle east. Its just a norm these days.

its disgusting and hateful, absolutely. but i dont think its technically classed as hate speech. perhaps incitement though.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".

Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer. :shrug:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".

Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer. :shrug:


I despise religion. I can see Christians doing the same thing. Aside from the crowd shouting 'Jihad', which is clearly inciting violence.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".

Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer. :shrug:


provocative language!


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
qman said:
Or "British police go to hell", and "UK go to hell".

Tip is a devout Muslim sympathizer. :shrug:


I despise religion. I can see Christians doing the same thing. Aside from the crowd shouting 'Jihad', which is clearly inciting violence.


For sure, there's a bunch of nut cases on both sides.  Tip continues to defend the actions of Muslims regardless of that fact.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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Nice to see the Germans are wising up, hopefully their elected leaders listen...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hopefully they don't, and there's like an Occupy Berlin (No Muslims) movement.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
I pay my taxes and in a world where we only hope that our governments represent us, I expect my government to do the right thing with my tax money. Naive, i know.


No.  Governments are not supposed to be doing the "right thing" with our tax money.  Their priority should always be about their citizens.  This is their duty.

Another issue I have with your sentiment is that there is no way to agree on what constitutes the "right thing".  People have different ideas for it.  For example, you think that helping refugees is the "right thing", but what if I think that rescuing animals in the labs all around the world is the "right thing". And I am not just saying it to be disagreeable--I actually do care about animals very deeply.  So right away you can see that we would be at an impasse.  And who should the government listen to?  Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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No.  Governments are not supposed to be doing the "right thing" with our tax money.  Their priority should always be about their citizens.  This is their duty.


their priority, about doing the right thing, is for the citizens.

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Another issue I have with your sentiment is that there is no way to agree on what constitutes the "right thing".  People have different ideas for it.


welcome to the end of the thought process. proceed with clarification:

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you think that helping refugees is the "right thing", but what if I think that rescuing animals in the labs all around the world is the "right thing". And I am not just saying it to be disagreeable--I actually do care about animals very deeply.  So right away you can see that we would be at an impasse.  And who should the government listen to?  Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?


yes.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
qman said:
night_shift said:
qman said:
How much personal sacrifice are you willing to make to accommodate "refugees" into your community?


Do you mean in case there was international agenda to accommodate people? In this case, my couch is free most of the time and it could serve as a crashing point.


"my couch is free most of the time"

Maybe you truly believe that you would let strangers live in your house for free and totally inconvenience your life, but I don't buy it. You wouldn't last 48 hours. :lol:


I guess we would have a problem if they drink my beer and there's the possibility of a fight over who should go to the grocery store.

Don't you realize that taking an issue that has to be dealt with on a national level to a single person (how much personal sacrifice are you willing to make) is stupid?


No.  YOUR argument is the stupid one.  Just because you personally are willing to help refugees, it doesn't mean you get to force it on your fellow countrymen who are not willing to do so.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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do you even know who ok'd what?

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN] * 2
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Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

Aren't you stuck with the same problem? No two people will agree on what serves them.


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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

Aren't you stuck with the same problem? No two people will agree on what serves them.


You do have a point, sort of.  I was thinking that *most* (note: not all) reasonable people can agree that having their government spend tax money on programs for them is "serving them".

In a country as populous as the USA, it is close to impossible to get EVERYBODY on board on some things.

Edited by WAN (02/21/16 12:06 AM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Wouldn't it be better for our governments to focus on serving their people, which is something that everybody agrees on?

Aren't you stuck with the same problem? No two people will agree on what serves them.


Actually, lots of two peoples agree on what serves them.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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