qman said:

Tipote said:

viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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who says that?

As i've said, i'm happy that there are 150 Syrian families in my town.

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Yeah. that's because you don't have to pay for them. What's going to happen in the next 10 years, how are they going to support themselves? 

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viktor said:

So, Tipote:

- has the cash to frequently travel around the world
- pays so much in taxes that he think the govt. should take into account his personal opinion on immigration

- despite these two things that suggest he is a man of some means, still he does not share his personal property with any refugees or homeless people.

This is hypocrisy in its purest form. Do as Tipote says, not as he does.

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Can't wait to see him try to squirm his way out of this one...

viktor said:

So, Tipote:

- has the cash to frequently travel around the world
- pays so much in taxes that he think the govt. should take into account his personal opinion on immigration

- despite these two things that suggest he is a man of some means, still he does not share his personal property with any refugees or homeless people.

This is hypocrisy in its purest form. Do as Tipote says, not as he does.

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night_shift said:

qman said:

I just asked the question out of curiosity, it's obviously more complicated than a personal sacrifice. With that being said, it's very easy to burden others with sacrifice and suffering to meet your "moral" expectations.

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Who is "others"? Please tell me.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

Tipote said:

viktor said:

So none of the open borders crowd on here actually wants to live near refugees either.

The only thing we really disagree on is how far away to keep them.

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who says that?

As i've said, i'm happy that there are 150 Syrian families in my town.

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Yeah. that's because you don't have to pay for them. What's going to happen in the next 10 years, how are they going to support themselves? 

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I pay my taxes.

its not going to be easy, absolutely. The idea is that they get jobs obviously. Thats easier said than done, sure. But i think you think that the UK government would just support them forever. I think you over estimate the ease with which you can stay on benefits in the UK.

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viktor said:

All you have to do is accept that your desire to keep refugees out of your house is the same emotion that other people have when they want to keep refugees out of their country.

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

So, Tipote:

- has the cash to frequently travel around the world
- pays so much in taxes that he think the govt. should take into account his personal opinion on immigration

- despite these two things that suggest he is a man of some means, still he does not share his personal property with any refugees or homeless people.

This is hypocrisy in its purest form. Do as Tipote says, not as he does.

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so, viktor:

-doesnt know shit about my income
-doesnt know shit about my expenses
-doesnt know shit about how often I travel
-doesnt understand that its not just my opinion, that huge numbers of people feel the same and should be represented.
-and frankly doesnt know shit about me or my personal circumstances at all

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qman said:

So if or when they get kicked off of benefits and they can't afford housing, food, and other basic needs, what happens? 

Do they resort to crime?  Do they go to prison?  You don't have any good answers to problems that these polices have created. You want a quick fix and then basically walk away from the long term issues, that's highly irresponsible.

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hostileuniverse said:

Tipote said:

so, viktor:

-doesnt know shit about my income
-doesnt know shit about my expenses
-doesnt know shit about how often I travel
-doesnt understand that its not just my opinion, that huge numbers of people feel the same and should be represented.
-and frankly doesnt know shit about me or my personal circumstances at all

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Actually we do, we know you travel quite a bit because you talk about it...

But really Viktor, why can't you accept he's not financially able to accept them. Flying overseas is cheap nowadays, haven't you heard???

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Tipote said:

qman said:

So if or when they get kicked off of benefits and they can't afford housing, food, and other basic needs, what happens? 

Do they resort to crime?  Do they go to prison?  You don't have any good answers to problems that these polices have created. You want a quick fix and then basically walk away from the long term issues, that's highly irresponsible.

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the same thing than the natives do when they can't afford food, housing etc..

LOL at you thinking the quick fix is accepting refugees.

War is the policy that has caused this. You dont have any answers to address the problems of that policy. Or your policy would be "fuck em". Surely, THAT is neglecting the long term issues. Who says anyone is walking away from the long term issues from accepting refugees??

I've said this so many times now on this thread - no one pretends its going to be easy.

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The native are citizens and are therefore NOT under the same status as "refugees".  Why would you compare domestic issues with people that don't even have to be in your homeland in the first place? 

"War is the policy that has caused this"

That's speculation on your part since the majority of "refugees" aren't from Syria or Iraq. Or maybe poor weather is the fault of the US and EU as well? 

I never said to walk away from issues in that part of the world, how many times have I and others suggested helping from a distance?  Providing financial and logistical support in that region is a better option than relocating them thousands of miles from their homelands.

You don't have any solutions to the long term prospects of accepting these people into the US/EU, hoping for the best is not a viable solution.

qman said:

That's speculation on your part since the majority of "refugees" aren't from Syria or Iraq.

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evidence? I'm not talking about "refugees", i'm talking about genuine refugees.
how is it speculation that refugees are fleeing war?

Quote:

I never said to walk away from issues in that part of the world, how many times have I and others suggested helping from a distance?  Providing financial and logistical support in that region is a better option than relocating them thousands of miles from their homelands.

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Quote:

The native are citizens and are therefore NOT under the same status as "refugees".  Why would you compare domestic issues with people that don't even have to be in your homeland in the first place?

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You don't have any solutions to the long term prospects of accepting these people into the US/EU, hoping for the best is not a viable solution.

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qman said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/16/british-police-arrest-man-for-syrian-migrants-facebook-post-promise-zero-tolerance-on-offence-online/

If you speak "poorly" of Muslims on the internet in the UK, Demark, Netherlands, or Germany you may get arrested!!

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Quote:

German police have defended their response to an incident involving a bus full of migrants which was surrounded by chanting protesters.

A video posted online shows some 100 hostile demonstrators surrounding the bus as it pulls up to deliver migrants to accommodation in eastern Germany.

Another appears to show police roughly dragging a young boy off the vehicle.

Police said they needed to get the migrants into the hostel quickly as the situation was tense.

The incident took place on Thursday night in the eastern village of Clausnitz, south of Dresden, and the video footage from the scene has been widely shared online.

Demonstrators tried to prevent migrants getting off the bus, chanting "we are the people" in a scene the state Interior Minister, Markus Ulbig, described as "deeply shameful".

Upset children can be seen in the video on board the bus, which was blocked for two hours.

Defending the police response, regional police chief Uwe Reissmann said on Saturday that there were too few officers to keep the protesters away from the bus and it was necessary to get the migrants into the building quickly.

He said three of those inside the bus had provoked the crowd - one "showing the finger" to the protesters.

Referring to the removal of the boy, Mr Reissmann said "only physical force" could ensure his transfer to the hostel.

"In my opinion, the police should not face repercussions," he said at a news conference.

The boy and a youth from the bus face an investigation over the "finger" incident, Mr Reissmann added.

Those on board the vehicle were the first refugees to be accommodated at the shelter in the village.

In a further development, German media report that the head of the migrant shelter in Clausnitz, Thomas Hetze, spoke at a recent anti-immigrant rally.

He was invited to the Freiberg gathering by the right-wing Alternative fuer Deutschland party (Alternative for Germany), according to the Sueddeutsche Zeitung (in German).

Local officials are quoted as saying there is no problem so long as he has not broken the law.

The slogan which the protesters chanted on Thursday in Clausnitz, "we are the people" ("Wir sind das Volk"), was used in the peaceful demonstrations against the dictatorship in East Germany which preceded the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

The historic slogan has since been used - misused, according to German President and Communist-era civil rights activist Joachim Gauck - by the anti-Islam Pegida protesters in Germany.

Germany received over a million asylum claims in 2015.

A note on terminology: The BBC uses the term migrant to refer to all people on the move who have yet to complete the legal process of claiming asylum. This group includes people fleeing war-torn countries such as Syria, who are likely to be granted refugee status, as well as people who are seeking jobs and better lives, who governments are likely to rule are economic migrants.

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qman said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/16/british-police-arrest-man-for-syrian-migrants-facebook-post-promise-zero-tolerance-on-offence-online/

If you speak "poorly" of Muslims on the internet in the UK, Demark, Netherlands, or Germany you may get arrested!!

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hostileuniverse said:

qman said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/16/british-police-arrest-man-for-syrian-migrants-facebook-post-promise-zero-tolerance-on-offence-online/

If you speak "poorly" of Muslims on the internet in the UK, Demark, Netherlands, or Germany you may get arrested!!

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Progressives hate freedom of speech, they try to get me banned, they believe in the fairness doctrine and hate citizens United. It's coming here, sooner than you think, especially if Bernie gets elected...

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Yes, we will silence you soon enough! Mwahahahaahahahaahaaadsasjksadaaa!!!!

Tipote said:

qman said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/16/british-police-arrest-man-for-syrian-migrants-facebook-post-promise-zero-tolerance-on-offence-online/

If you speak "poorly" of Muslims on the internet in the UK, Demark, Netherlands, or Germany you may get arrested!!

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"poorly" was not a quote on that link.
notice how the article doesnt say what he said. I'm sure they wouldnt make a big fuss if it was just speaking "poorly". There is plenty of that. He must have said something a little more serious than "I dont want refugees"......

as some may not have noticed, tensions are high in Europe and some comments can incite a lot of violence.

I dont agree totally with the UK laws around clamping down on freedom of speech but certain comments can be particularly destructive at times like these.

not sure wtf hostile is on about with progressives, in case you didnt notice: the conservatives are in power in the UK.

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Tipote said:

I have suspicions that hostile universe is a secret muslim. Maybe we can get him sent to gitmo.

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