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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
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Bigbadwooof said:
You can't argue that there is not a legitimate case against taking in refugees. I certainly understand the desire to, but it is probably the less rational of the two positions.


There is a legitimate case, but the speculative possibility that some might rape someone here isn't a factor.  That's just ridiculous.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay] * 1
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airclay said:
qman said:
The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.



this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.


Actually, I think Qman is right on with that statement. Excess labor drives wages down. If you think of labor as a commodity, which it is in a Capitalist society, it's no different than anything else. Right now we are experiencing a surplus of oil. Gas prices have fallen significantly here in America. Labor is no different.

Less available labor = Less bargaining power for labor.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
airclay said:
qman said:
The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.



this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.


Your inability to address my points is very telling, I have plenty of understanding when it comes to economics and politics, can you say the same? :lol:



Please cite party material that states both democrats and republicans have the same goal of open borders?

I want to see elected officials mirroring that statement, in their own words, not your take or inference of what they might mean.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Bigbadwooof said:
You can't argue that there is not a legitimate case against taking in refugees. I certainly understand the desire to, but it is probably the less rational of the two positions.


There is a legitimate case, but the speculative possibility that some might rape someone here isn't a factor.  That's just ridiculous.


That's why I said, if the immigrant group has demonstrably and significantly higher incidence of rape. If not, then it is not a valid point.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
qman said:
airclay said:
qman said:
The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.



this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.


Your inability to address my points is very telling, I have plenty of understanding when it comes to economics and politics, can you say the same? :lol:



Please cite party material that states both democrats and republicans have the same goal of open borders?

I want to see elected officials mirroring that statement, in their own words, not your take or inference of what they might mean.


I believe Jeb! and Rubio have both made statements to that affect.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
airclay said:
qman said:
The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.



this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.


Actually, I think Qman is right on with that statement. Excess labor drives wages down. If you think of labor as a commodity, which it is in a Capitalist society, it's no different than anything else. Right now we are experiencing a surplus of oil. Gas prices have fallen significantly here in America. Labor is no different.

Less available labor = Less bargaining power for labor.



when expounded upon or altered the claim can be more grounded but as stated it's a joke to suggest the republicans and democrats are openly co-operatively working on opening the borders.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Bigbadwooof said:
You can't argue that there is not a legitimate case against taking in refugees. I certainly understand the desire to, but it is probably the less rational of the two positions.


There is a legitimate case, but the speculative possibility that some might rape someone here isn't a factor.  That's just ridiculous.


Yes, just speculating on rape alone might be ridiculous, but when you take into account all of the other various criminal acts and the heavy reliance on the state social services, there is most definitely a legitimate case for not accepting "refugees".

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Why not just go by race then?  If a race has a demonstrably and significantly higher incidence of violent crime, why not just discriminate against them too?


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
I believe Jeb! and Rubio have both made statements to that affect.


Indeed they have, I was wrong. That statement is more accurate (when expounded) than it's face value alluded. My bad Qman, there's some truth to that.  :kiss:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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These refugees have no business being there (here), no group is "entitled"'to just invade another country, regardless of what progressives believe...


That's how white America became a nation. We invaded another country and killed off most of the natives.
:shrug:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
qman said:
airclay said:
qman said:
The elite always want a excess pool of labor, that's why both Democrats and now Republicans openly support a open border policy.



this statement is outright bullshit from your fairy tale understanding of politics.


Your inability to address my points is very telling, I have plenty of understanding when it comes to economics and politics, can you say the same? :lol:



Please cite party material that states both democrats and republicans have the same goal of open borders?

I want to see elected officials mirroring that statement, in their own words, not your take or inference of what they might mean.


Bush, Cruz, Kasich, just to start. Remember Eric Cantor?  How about John McCain? What about SC governor Haley?  The list goes on and on and on.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:

These refugees have no business being there (here), no group is "entitled"'to just invade another country, regardless of what progressives believe...


That's how white America became a nation. We invaded another country and killed off most of the natives.
:shrug:


So?  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You seem to be saying that just because white peoples ancestors invaded certain countries that we now must tolerate invaders.  This is fucked up.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Why not just go by race then?  If a race has a demonstrably and significantly higher incidence of violent crime, why not just discriminate against them too?


Nobody wants to appear to be racist today.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 4
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Well, we can call a cow a tree and pretend to be vegan, too.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
Icelander said:

These refugees have no business being there (here), no group is "entitled"'to just invade another country, regardless of what progressives believe...


That's how white America became a nation. We invaded another country and killed off most of the natives.
:shrug:


So?  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You seem to be saying that just because white peoples ancestors invaded certain countries that we now must tolerate invaders.  This is fucked up.


No I'm not saying that at all. That's what humans do, like most all animals.  I'm pointing out your statement is hypocritical bullshit.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Edited by Icelander (02/17/16 09:12 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
WAN said:
Icelander said:

These refugees have no business being there (here), no group is "entitled"'to just invade another country, regardless of what progressives believe...


That's how white America became a nation. We invaded another country and killed off most of the natives.
:shrug:


So?  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You seem to be saying that just because white peoples ancestors invaded certain countries that we now must tolerate invaders.  This is fucked up.


No I'm not saying that at all. That's what humans do, like most all animals.  I'm pointing out your statement is hypocritical bullshit.


No, your statement is BS, this is not an invasion in the typical sense, our own political leaders are allowing our countries to be overrun by savages... Wtf???

My guess is progressivism has taken over, better to subject our citizens to the violence they KNOW is gonna follow, than to be seen as "racist" by the intelligencia. And Muslim isn't a race, it's a fucking religion, a backwards violent vile evil religion.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
WAN said:
Icelander said:

These refugees have no business being there (here), no group is "entitled"'to just invade another country, regardless of what progressives believe...


That's how white America became a nation. We invaded another country and killed off most of the natives.
:shrug:


So?  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You seem to be saying that just because white peoples ancestors invaded certain countries that we now must tolerate invaders.  This is fucked up.


No I'm not saying that at all. That's what humans do, like most all animals.  I'm pointing out your statement is hypocritical bullshit.


LOL@your usage of the word "bullshit".  Sounds like you are losing grip on your emotions.  Trying hard to insult me, are ya?  You take the internets too seriously if something someone casually says can rile you up this easily.

Edited by WAN (02/17/16 09:25 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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I never insulted you or flamed you at all.  Show me where. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 4
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hostileuniverse said:
No, your statement is BS, this is not an invasion in the typical sense, our own political leaders are allowing our countries to be overrun by savages... Wtf???




The country is already overrun by savages.  A good portion of the population still believes in people being raised from the dead by mystical sky wizards.  It doesn't get a whole lot more primitive than that.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Why not just go by race then?  If a race has a demonstrably and significantly higher incidence of violent crime, why not just discriminate against them too?


Too easy. You cannot demonstrate (Or at least I have never seen sufficient evidence to suggest) that their race is the cause of their higher incidence of abhorrent actions. It is, however, easy to demonstrate how a culture (which shapes the values and ethical approach of a society) is culpable for the values of it's members.


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