hostileuniverse said:

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As we're celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall, who's building walls right now? Tolerance, how I adore thee.

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So you think the US should just let anyone from South America enter as they wish?

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Yes.

hostileuniverse said:

Are you really that ignorant to think that the US can just take everyone in for a better life?

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The US, if I remember correctly, was founded by disappointed Europeans who went to "the new land", without any respect to the population they found there, and built their empire from scratch. What can I say - I believe in the American Dream - you guys can achieve anything! Seriously though, no, in the way the current economical system works, you're screwed as well.  Here's a wild idea, change a system that fucks everybody.

hostileuniverse said:

And as you conveniently cut out of your quote, anyone who opposes that is a "racist".?

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I don't believe racism is a problem, I think racism is a symptom. Shoot me.

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Sorry to break the news, but flooding the US with the current illegals has already dropped the standard of living for 99% of US citizens, they are a financial and social burden.  Trump is going to deport illegals and their anchor babies.

Also, the fact that the founders of the US won the war for this land doesn't mean it turns into a free for all, this is a European culture and it will always remain that way.

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Sorry to break the news, but perhaps your financial and social systems are benefitting just a few people so there isn't enough left for the majority. Just a suggestion.

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"so there isn't enough left for the majority"

That's right, there isn't enough jobs left for US citizens, so how is bringing in more poor people going to help?  It isn't.

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The Nato fleet is being deployed to the Aegean Sea immediately in a bid to end the flow of refugees crossing the sea into Europe from Turkey.

Announcing the deployment, which will see refugee boats met by warships rather than coastguards, Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg said action would be taken "without delay".

It comes after Greece declared Turkey a "safe third country", giving it the legal framework to turn back asylum-seekers and to actively deport those who have arrived back across the Mediterranean.

In a press conference, Mr Stoltenberg insisted the deployment of Nato's Standing Maritime Group 2 was "not about stopping or pushing back refugee boats".

The fleet, including warships from a range of Western countries and currently under German command, "will be tasked to conduct reconnaissance, monitoring and surveillance of the illegal crossings in the Aegean sea in cooperation with relevant authorities", he said.

The US Secretary of Defence, Ash Carter, said: "There is now a criminal syndicate that is exploiting these poor people and this is an organised smuggling operation.

"Targeting that is the way that the greatest effect can be had ... That is the principal intent of this."

At the same time, it was announced that Nato will step up its counter-terror efforts on the border between Turkey and Syria.

And Mr Stoltenberg said Nato would "step up" its efforts in the international coalition against Isis, following a request from the US.

"We have just agreed that Nato will provide support to assist with the refugee and migrant crisis," Mr Stoltenberg said.

"The goal is to participate in the international efforts to stem the illegal trafficking and illegal migration in the Aegean."

"It is important to respond swiftly," he said. "Because this crisis affects all of us."

Germany has said it will take part in the mission in collaboration with Greece and Turkey, while the US said it "fully supports" the plan.

It is initially expected to involve five warships stationed for Standing Maritime Group 2 currently near Cyprus, but Mr Stoltenberg indicated more ships could be moved to the Aegean if required.

A government source told Reuters Germany is expected to contribute at least one other ship.

The extent to which the Nato vessels will interact with refugee boats remains unclear.

Nato diplomats said that rather than direct intervention, intelligence gathered about people-smugglers is likely to be handed over to Turkish coastguards to allow them to combat the traffickers more effectively.

Yet there have been numerous incidents where interactions between larger coastguard ships and refugee boats have resulted in the latter being capsized, and it is not known how people smuggler captains will react to sighting a large Nato warship in their path.

Nato confirmed that any refugees it "saves" from the vessels will be taken back to Turkey. According to Reuters, the Greek and Turkish coastguards will continue to operate exclusively within their own territorial waters.

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Tipote said:

regarding your video. No one excuses violence and other crime. It is true this happens. Her perspective was mostly accurate but it is only part of the story. Migrants don't think they are going to be given houses and cars WTF. They dont even want to be in France, that is why they are in the jungle!
Ignoring the problem will not make it go away. The damage will only increase if things are left as they are.

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hostileuniverse said:

Why are these boats being seized or turned around? Shouldn't brown people be allowed to go wherever they choose???

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qman said:

"Ignoring the problem will not make it go away"

I agree, deport them back to their region and then seal up the border.

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Just to illustrate how rash, negligent and barbaric this sentiment is; here is what Syria looks like rn. Is this really where you think families should be sealed up and forced to live while american funded rebels, an oppressive dictatorship and isis are still waging war?

airclay said:

qman said:

"Ignoring the problem will not make it go away"

I agree, deport them back to their region and then seal up the border.

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Just to illustrate how rash, negligent and barbaric this sentiment is; here is what Syria looks like rn. Is this really where you think families should be sealed up and forced to live while american funded rebels, an oppressive dictatorship and isis are still waging war?

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qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

"Ignoring the problem will not make it go away"

I agree, deport them back to their region and then seal up the border.

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Just to illustrate how rash, negligent and barbaric this sentiment is; here is what Syria looks like rn. Is this really where you think families should be sealed up and forced to live while american funded rebels, an oppressive dictatorship and isis are still waging war?

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Do you have a reading comprehension problem?  You do know what the word "region" means?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/24/persian-gulf-muslim-states-have-accepted-no-syrian-refugees/

"Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and United Arab Emirates steadfastly refuse to accept any Syrian refugees"

Maybe it's time for them to help their neighbors instead of blaming the EU for the crisis.

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airclay said:

you know, I'm gonna skip your reading comprehension problem comment cause it's really evidence that my point sunk in.

I offered that alternative up about 40+ pages back. Let's look at the map and let's look at the countries to see why it won't work.

The immediate neighbors:

Turkey - Has taken 1,938,999
Iraq - 30% controlled by isis mostly resembles syria but has taken 249,726
Lebenon - has taken 1,172,753
Jordan - has taken 629,245
Isreal - has taken 0, I would love to see them take a fair share, it would swing the palestine battle but is setting up for mass genocide or the destabilization of isreal, where unlike EU it's a fact war crimes have been committed by isreal making mass genocide much more considerable here

Now if you want to cherry pick further out gulf states it would be great if they took some of them, however don't forget there are tons of Yemeni refugees rn as well and these states are very small areas. Saudi Arabia could take it's share and that would be more than the other gulf states combined but it still doesn't equal out and the EU and US will still need to take in it's fair share.

Over all tho your sentiment is still lacking in realistic execution.

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Relocating people thousands of miles away from their homelands makes no sense at all, they need to stay in their region.

The US and EU should help from a distance with financial and logistical support.

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akira_akuma said:

also true. why didn't you go to Iraq?

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akira_akuma said:

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Relocating people thousands of miles away from their homelands makes no sense at all, they need to stay in their region.

The US and EU should help from a distance with financial and logistical support.

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that would be perfectly sound if only Syria wasn't on the absolute verge of total annihilation.

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hostileuniverse said:

akira_akuma said:

also true. why didn't you go to Iraq?

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And for what it's worth, I think deposing saddam was the right thing to do, but that should have been the end of our involvement

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hostileuniverse said:

If all those refugees would stand up and fight for their ducking country, they'd outnumber ISIS 40:1

Isn't that interesting...

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qman said:

Are you as passionate for Russia, China, Japan, Australia, and others to take in "refugees", or just the US and EU as you live in Canada.

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