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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift] * 1
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night_shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
night_shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
Wait, you want excessive illegal immigration, even though you KNOW it will fuck your country?

Did I read that correctly?


Yes.


So, you wanna bring down the system?

If so, is that so we can rebuild and change some stuff?


Yes to both questions.


Has it occurred to you how much suffering there will be if that happens? :frown:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
night_shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
So, you wanna bring down the system?

If so, is that so we can rebuild and change some stuff?


Yes to both questions.


Has it occurred to you how much suffering there will be if that happens? :frown:


:whathesaid:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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night_shift is an actual liberal and is being objective.

the refugees deserve the same fundamental and basic human rights as much as anyone else. :shrug: criminality comes in all groups. this doesn't mean we should prevent war refugees from seeking asylum from their utter annihilation: especially when the causes of the warring stems from external, interstitial export of weapons and ammo and paramilitary coups.

same thing that happened in Libya.

night_shift said:
Has it occured to you how much suffering is going to happen if nothing changes?


good on you. :thumbup:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
night_shift said:
hostileuniverse said:
Wait, you want excessive illegal immigration, even though you KNOW it will fuck your country?

Did I read that correctly?


Yes.


So, you wanna bring down the system?

If so, is that so we can rebuild and change some stuff?


Yes to both questions.


Lemme guess, you're one of these "No Border" activists? :facepalm:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
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and you're one of those immoralists.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe *DELETED* [Re: Bubbles85]
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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night_shift said:
Has it occured to you how much suffering is going to happen if nothing changes?


That is true. However, I don't think the changes necessary are quite as drastic as you suggest.

akira_akuma said:
:shrug: criminality comes in all groups.


We're talking about a very specific type of criminality. Suicide bomb massacring. Assaulting women sexually, and mugging them, at a much higher incidence than any other group.

This is different, and the right has a very legitimate case.

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this doesn't mean we should prevent war refugees from seeking asylum from their utter annihilation: especially when the causes of the warring stems from external, interstitial export of weapons and ammo and paramilitary coups.

same thing that happened in Libya.


What has to happen, is the West has to wise up and start choosing leaders who are not riddled with corrupt motives. The incredible power and influence of the military industrial complex must be dismantled.

I firmly believe that the situation in Syria could be resolved very quickly, and easily, if that were actually the goal of our government. I do not believe that it is our goal. I believe that perpetual war is the goal of the government, and it seems pretty clear, considering that we have been at war for the past 100 fucking years, and when there isn't a legitimate war, we create an illegitimate one to fight.

So, people like Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Jeremy Corbyn, Alan Grayson, etc... people with integrity that do not support the military industrial complex are what we need to fix the refugee problem. Not uprooting and importing them here.

These people are very dangerous to the Western world, and if you can't see that, you are burying your head in the sand. Not only are they dangerous to us, but we are incredibly dangerous to them, given the level of hostility toward them. I could honestly see a massive genocide if we bring all of the refugees to the west.

All it would take is one bombing. Shit, one rape hoax spurred incredible unrest in Germany. One bombing, and these people will be in the same shape they are in now, and there is a high likelihood that one of them will bomb us. Some stupid kid gone radical. It doesn't take much.

In a time of such economic turmoil worldwide, racial and ethnic tensions will only be exacerbated. Economic problems increase divisiveness in any society.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: night_shift]
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night_shift said:
Bubbles85 said:
Lemme guess, you're one of these "No Border" activists? :facepalm:


I have no idea who you're talking about.


You just stated, that you want uncontrolled, illegal immigration, to continue into Europe and America, to bring the system down.
That is no different to what would happen if these no border activist idiots get there way. Which they never will, but it doesn't stop them from trying.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
night_shift said:
Has it occured to you how much suffering is going to happen if nothing changes?


That is true. However, I don't think the changes necessary are quite as drastic as you suggest.

akira_akuma said:
:shrug: criminality comes in all groups.


We're talking about a very specific type of criminality. Suicide bomb massacring. Assaulting women sexually, and mugging them, at a much higher incidence than any other group.

This is different, and the right has a very legitimate case.

Quote:
this doesn't mean we should prevent war refugees from seeking asylum from their utter annihilation: especially when the causes of the warring stems from external, interstitial export of weapons and ammo and paramilitary coups.

same thing that happened in Libya.


What has to happen, is the West has to wise up and start choosing leaders who are not riddled with corrupt motives. The incredible power and influence of the military industrial complex must be dismantled.

I firmly believe that the situation in Syria could be resolved very quickly, and easily, if that were actually the goal of our government. I do not believe that it is our goal. I believe that perpetual war is the goal of the government, and it seems pretty clear, considering that we have been at war for the past 100 fucking years, and when there isn't a legitimate war, we create an illegitimate one to fight.

So, people like Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Jeremy Corbyn, Alan Grayson, etc... people with integrity that do not support the military industrial complex are what we need to fix the refugee problem. Not uprooting and importing them here.

These people are very dangerous to the Western world, and if you can't see that, you are burying your head in the sand. Not only are they dangerous to us, but we are incredibly dangerous to them, given the level of hostility toward them. I could honestly see a massive genocide if we bring all of the refugees to the west.

All it would take is one bombing. Shit, one rape hoax spurred incredible unrest in Germany. One bombing, and these people will be in the same shape they are in now, and there is a high likelihood that one of them will bomb us. Some stupid kid gone radical. It doesn't take much.

In a time of such economic turmoil worldwide, racial and ethnic tensions will only be exacerbated. Economic problems increase divisiveness in any society.


Well said BBW. In full agreement. Other than the endorsement of Corbyn :lol: :wink:


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Not uprooting and importing them here.


no one is suggesting that the refugees are a good fucking thing, however. no one. people are suggesting that there is a moral impetus to help them. THAT'S IT.

so essentially, you and I, we agree on almost everything but the definition of the ethics here.

do you think that we should let them deal with the threats that are dealt to them, and not help, when it's through no fault of their own what's happening to them, and what's happening has EVERYTHING to do with Western Foreign policy?

that's the crux of the issue. other than that, we agree that the problem is the MIC, but let's not evade the issue.

do you think it's right to deny them asylum from a war they can't win, that they didn't provoke, when we can help them?

we can deal with the brunt of the criminal elements as they come. no one said freedom and morality and justice were easy or lofty goals.

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Economic problems increase divisiveness in any society.


certainly. that's the whole problem. the world is being destabilized, and the impetus isn't on Islam to change that.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
night_shift said:
Bubbles85 said:
Lemme guess, you're one of these "No Border" activists? :facepalm:


I have no idea who you're talking about.


You just stated, that you want uncontrolled, illegal immigration, to continue into Europe and America, to bring the system down.
That is no different to what would happen if these no border activist idiots get there way. Which they never will, but it doesn't stop them from trying.


If Bernie is elected, it will, he will continue Obama's policy of bringing Muslim terro-I mean "refugees" to America, he will continue open borders with Mexico, sanctuary cities, he's even going to give them free healthcare at taxpayer expense; whether through O'shitcare or his single payer. If he's elected, America is fucked...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
I firmly believe that the situation in Syria could be resolved very quickly, and easily, if that were actually the goal of our government. I do not believe that it is our goal. I believe that perpetual war is the goal of the government, and it seems pretty clear, considering that we have been at war for the past 100 fucking years, and when there isn't a legitimate war, we create an illegitimate one to fight.

So, people like Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Jeremy Corbyn, Alan Grayson, etc... people with integrity that do not support the military industrial complex are what we need to fix the refugee problem. Not uprooting and importing them here.

These people are very dangerous to the Western world, and if you can't see that, you are burying your head in the sand. Not only are they dangerous to us, but we are incredibly dangerous to them, given the level of hostility toward them. I could honestly see a massive genocide if we bring all of the refugees to the west.

All it would take is one bombing. Shit, one rape hoax spurred incredible unrest in Germany. One bombing, and these people will be in the same shape they are in now, and there is a high likelihood that one of them will bomb us. Some stupid kid gone radical. It doesn't take much.

In a time of such economic turmoil worldwide, racial and ethnic tensions will only be exacerbated. Economic problems increase divisiveness in any society.


absolutely agree with you BBW. The intention is perpetual war. Syria could be over but that is not desired. War is an addiction.

I think we should make a "rise of the left" thread too because the rise of people like Bernie, and Corbyn, and parties like Syriza and Podemos are significant. Both left and right are disenfranchised and alienated by the broken political system throughout the Western world. This fuels the right but also the left.

The military industrial complex will be a tough nut to crack. Their resistance to change will be catastrophic.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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define "fucked".

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Quote:
Not uprooting and importing them here.


no one is suggesting that the refugees are a good fucking thing, however. no one. people are suggesting that there is a moral impetus to help them. THAT'S IT.

so essentially, you and I, we agree on almost everything but the definition of the ethics here.

do you think that we should let them deal with the threats that are dealt to them, and not help, when it's through no fault of their own what's happening to them, and what's happening has EVERYTHING to do with Western Foreign policy?

that's the crux of the issue. other than that, we agree that the problem is the MIC, but let's not evade the issue.

do you think it's right to deny them asylum from a war they can't win, that they didn't provoke, when we can help them?

we can deal with the brunt of the criminal elements as they come. no one said freedom and morality and justice were easy or lofty goals.

Quote:
Economic problems increase divisiveness in any society.


certainly. that's the whole problem. the world is being destabilized, and the impetus isn't on Islam to change that.


Nobody said the 'impetus was on Islam'! If that were the case, there would REALLY be no hope for the future! lol

I think we have a moral imperative to help them out of this mess that we clearly brought them into. However, as I said, I think if it was actually a goal of Western governments to fix the problems in Syria, it would be quick work. The goal, however, in my view, has been to perpetuate war.

This is why I advocated leadership like Sanders, Paul, Corbyn, etc. People who do not support the Military Industrial Complex.

Immigration is probably the worst answer to this problem for a very large variety of reasons.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Bubbles85 said:
night_shift said:
Bubbles85 said:
Lemme guess, you're one of these "No Border" activists? :facepalm:


I have no idea who you're talking about.


You just stated, that you want uncontrolled, illegal immigration, to continue into Europe and America, to bring the system down.
That is no different to what would happen if these no border activist idiots get there way. Which they never will, but it doesn't stop them from trying.


If Bernie is elected, it will, he will continue Obama's policy of bringing Muslim terro-I mean "refugees" to America, he will continue open borders with Mexico, sanctuary cities, he's even going to give them free healthcare at taxpayer expense; whether through O'shitcare or his single payer. If he's elected, America is fucked...


Yeah i feel the same way about the Labour party here in the UK, hence why i don't support Corbyn on most issues.
I'm not all that clued up on the people currently running for US prez. Trump is the most talked about in the news here in the UK tho.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Nobody said the 'impetus was on Islam'! If that were the case, there would REALLY be no hope for the future! lol


well, i'd say some people certainly think that once the "refugee problem" goes away, that "the problems" go away.

i'm not saying you think that. you have more nuance than that.

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I think we have a moral imperative to help them out of this mess that we clearly brought them into. However, as I said, I think if it was actually a goal of Western governments to fix the problems in Syria, it would be quick work. The goal, however, in my view, has been to perpetuate war.


i was one of the ones who said "Get ISIS before they get to Syria" -- clearly no one was interested.

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Immigration is probably the worst answer to this problem for a very large variety of reasons.


aside from stopping ISIS, there IS no other answer other than "let them die".

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there seems to be a strong cognitive dissonance among those who want to bomb the fuck out of the middle east but don't care about the fall out. LOL in the name of security, lets create massive insecurity!

I just listened to the most recent GOP debate. It says alot about how innocent people are demoted as humans to collateral damage. It shows an egocentrism, and an ethnocentrism which puts some lives higher up than others in value. These ideas seem to pervade much of the Wests relations with the rest of the world.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
absolutely agree with you BBW. The intention is perpetual war. Syria could be over but that is not desired. War is an addiction.

I think we should make a "rise of the left" thread too because the rise of people like Bernie, and Corbyn, and parties like Syriza and Podemos are significant. Both left and right are disenfranchised and alienated by the broken political system throughout the Western world. This fuels the right but also the left.

The military industrial complex will be a tough nut to crack. Their resistance to change will be catastrophic.


Yes, I agree. The right has been rising up for some time now. The left is only beginning to awaken, because the establishment has done everything it could to erase our memory of what it even means to be a leftist, for the better part of the last century. Leftist politics haven't even been on the table for discussion. At least here in America.

That's why people like HU think Obama is leftist lmao!


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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On the one hand, liberals say we shouldn't be intervening, then say on the other, we must intervene and help them...


Confusing fuckers they are I tell ya...


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