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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
it is a syllogism, comparing a "Muslim" to a "snake", christ almighty on a fucking steak. literally, T-Bone.

you are to presume a Muslim has poison, or that all Muslims have the potential for poison, is a syllogistic fallacy which is a syllogism in bad form.

and a bad conceptual metaphor, and bad analogy; as it's neither of any of those things. it's just a faulty syllogism.

a person isn't a snake.

simple.


You can call it whatever the heck you want---and apparently you could "read" into my mind and tell me what it was that I was trying to say.  Bravo, you are a clairvoyant.  Now are you satisfied now?  Can we please get back to the point of my analogy (or, as you insist, my "syllogism"/"metaphor"), which is that one does not need to have experience with the entire Muslim population to know that they are trouble?

Edited by WAN (02/09/16 10:32 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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that's just bullshit. you can't even understand how it's bullshit, so how can i argue your fucking ridiculous point?

you know how i know, without clairvoyance, that you're trouble? because your posts, therefore, all white girl college dropouts are trouble.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
that's just bullshit. you can't even understand how it's bullshit, so how can i argue your fucking ridiculous

you know how i know, without clairvoyance, that you're trouble? because your posts, therefore, all white girl college dropouts are trouble.


I am done "debating" with you.  You are an ____ (edited out lest I get banned).  Feel very free to think that you "won", though.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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it doesn't matter what i think. ask Enlil.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Tipote said:
so...criminals then? is that what youre saying?



Mostly, here's one group I don't think holds much value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association


:laugh2:

Well played, sir. :-|


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
qman said:
Tipote said:
so...criminals then? is that what youre saying?



Mostly, here's one group I don't think holds much value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association


:laugh2:

Well played, sir. :-|


They kept on telling me all groups of people are of equal value, liberal logic failure once again. :smilingpuppy:

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN] * 1
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WAN said:
Tipote said:
I'm not here to argue about the percentages, the point is that even if they were 100% MENA, they account for a vast minority of total refugees and migrants. Therefore, the criminal activities of some should not condemn everyone.


This is like saying to someone who just got bitten by a poisonous snake:  "not all snakes are poisonous.  The poisonous activities of some snakes should not condemn every snake".

Liberals are insane.


haha youre insane, WAN.

Yes, we shouldnt condemn all snakes for the poisonous ones. Its a fact that not all snakes are poisonous, didnt you know that?

even your metaphor is incredibly dehumanising. These are people we are talking about, not reptiles.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote] * 2
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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
From the video you showed me, it was a peaceful protest.



So? these are radicalized Muslims, out in mass numbers, on the streets of the UK. Telling the whole country and the West in general, exactly how they feel about them. How many Jihadi's did it take to kill 130 people in Paris again?

There are thousands of these people living among us.

By peaceful, i think you mean non violent? How the hell could it be any thing else, with no voice of opposition there to provoke them?

So i ask again, why do Anti Fascist organizations such as Unite Against Fascism, not demonstrate against this? Answer the question.

Tipote said:
Absolutely, extremist islamism like Daesh is fascist.


Good, so you agree, that we have thousands of fascist Muslim men and women, living among us right here in the UK.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
From the video you showed me, it was a peaceful protest.



So? these are radicalized Muslims, out in mass numbers, on the streets of the UK. Telling the whole country and the West in general, exactly how they feel about them. How many Jihadi's did it take to kill 130 people in Paris again?

There are thousands of these people living among us.

By peaceful, i think you mean non violent? How the hell could it be any thing else, with no voice of opposition there to provoke them?


Peaceful/nonviolent. Yes it was. I hate this particular group but there were doing it peacefully at least.

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So i ask again, why do Anti Fascist organizations such as Unite Against Fascism, not demonstrate against this? Answer the question.


I think youve mistaken me for a spokesperson for unite against fascism. Ask them yourself. I dont know.

Bubbles85 said:
Tipote said:
Absolutely, extremist islamism like Daesh is fascist.


Good, so you agree, that we have thousands of fascist Muslim men and women, living among us right here in the UK.


I agree that those that support the Daesh ideology are fascists.
I agree that there are some in the UK
I would also agree that many of those people in the peaceful protest would probably also think like this
At the very least they are trying to express themselves through peaceful protest. Even if their expression is a load of shit.

The fact is, we don't know how many Daesh supporters are in the UK or any country. So it is wrong to assume its many thousands.
There is a gulf between being willing to, and being capable of carrying out an attack like Paris.

There is an important differentiation which some people here struggle with. Being muslim or supporting islam is not the same as supporting Daesh or conforming to their ideology. Muslim communities in the UK are also on the front line fighting radicalisation.

Daesh grooms vulnerable muslims online. When people leave their families, sometimes they dont have a clue their children were thinking like this.
Other times, there have been suspicions and they have called the authorities and received no help. That happened recently actually.

We should be asking why disenfranchised, alienated young muslims who were born in this country are being seduced by this ideology.
Hateful rhetoric against all muslims is part of it.

Yes there is fascism in the UK. From all groups. And it should be rejected.

Luckily i think choudary (the leader of that group) is in prison right now for trying to go to syria


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Old German lady telling the truth on "refugees and Muslims".


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
WAN said:
Tipote said:
I'm not here to argue about the percentages, the point is that even if they were 100% MENA, they account for a vast minority of total refugees and migrants. Therefore, the criminal activities of some should not condemn everyone.


This is like saying to someone who just got bitten by a poisonous snake:  "not all snakes are poisonous.  The poisonous activities of some snakes should not condemn every snake".

Liberals are insane.


haha youre insane, WAN.

Yes, we shouldnt condemn all snakes for the poisonous ones. Its a fact that not all snakes are poisonous, didnt you know that?

even your metaphor is incredibly dehumanising. These are people we are talking about, not reptiles.


I wasn't saying that Muslims are snakes.  It was just an analogy to say that one does not need to have had experience with the entire Muslim population to know that Muslims are mostly trouble.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: WAN]
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Polls show that large amounts of muslim Immigrants are in favor of violent global jihad (25%).and having the option of living under sharia law in America (51%)

Trump was.referencing that study when he said "halt muslim immigrants until we figure out what's going on"  he had just read the studies  and Trump considered it a legitimate security threat, perhaps it is?


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Edited by Shins (02/10/16 08:49 PM)

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah."


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins]
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OK I've been following this discussion and making some of my own searches and I'm willing to come out against Muslims at this time. 

It's taken some real soul searching but I do believe the Muslim religion is a very bad apple.

Just to be fair I feel much the same about the Christian religion but not to the same degree.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 1
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Killing someone's neighbors and relatives, then inviting them to stay in your house, is somewhat questionable.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
OK I've been following this discussion and making some of my own searches and I'm willing to come out against Muslims at this time. 

It's taken some real soul searching but I do believe the Muslim religion is a very bad apple.

Just to be fair I feel much the same about the Christian religion but not to the same degree.


Personally I have an equally low opinion of all Abrahamic religions, though Christians have been forced to hide their bullshit for awhile now.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Killing someone's neighbors and relatives, then inviting them to stay in your house, is somewhat questionable.



Muslims vote overwhelmingly Democrat.  Clash of cultures is fine as long as them votes keep rolling in.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Shins] * 2
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Shins said:
Repertoire89 said:
Killing someone's neighbors and relatives, then inviting them to stay in your house, is somewhat questionable.



Muslims vote overwhelmingly Democrat.  Clash of cultures is fine as long as them votes keep rolling in.


Muslims could disappear and Democrats woild still dominate nationwide voter demographics, even more so when you take the electoral college into account.


With Latinos you may have a point, but let's not pretend the Democrats are doing the Muslims any favors.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic]
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/03/10000-migrants-to-be-housed-in-luxury-berlin-hotels-while-local-homeless-go-without-shelter/

This is a great policy to piss off the already angry native German population.

Also they are going to destroy those hotels and kill the business travel going into Berlin, what a disaster.

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