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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/8544359/Hay-Festival-2011-Professor-risks-political-storm-over-Muslim-inbreeding.html

Prof Steve Jones, one of Britain’s most eminent scientists, has warned that the level of inbreeding among the nation’s Muslims is endangering the health of future generations.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/Muslim-outrage-professor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html#ixzz3zZ02CVyj

Professor Steve Jones, from University College London, said the common practice in Islamic communities for cousins to marry each other increased the risk of birth defects.

Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford, this  rises to 75 per cent.

https://pickeringpost.com/story/the-cost-of-islamic-incest/1316

Massive inbreeding among Muslims has been going on since their prophet allowed first-cousin marriages more than 50 generations (1,400 years) ago. For many Muslims, therefore, intermarriage is regarded as being part of their religion.

Today, 70% of all Pakistanis are inbred and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30% (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 “More stillbirths among immigrants“).

The Times of India affirmed that “this is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.”

The BBC’s research also discovered that while British Pakistanis accounted for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm

It is estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins and the tradition is also common among some other South Asian communities and in some Middle Eastern countries.

But there is a problem: marrying someone who is themselves a close family member carries a risk for children - a risk that lies within the code of life; within our genes.

http://cairnsnews.org/2015/09/30/muslims-suffer-insanity-low-iq-recessive-disorders-from-1400-years-inbreeding/

In Denmark, Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly over represented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background. Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of schoolchildren with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant dropout rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

In the last 1,200 years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book. Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. "A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies."

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http://marranci.com/2011/05/31/genes-marriages-cousins-and-upset-british-muslims/

British Muslims criticize the description of inter-Muslim marriage as ‘Inbreeding’, warning that the term demonizes the image of the sizable minority. Obviously, we don’t want any children to be born disabled who don’t need to be born disabled, so I would advise genetic screening before first cousins marry.

Using language like ‘inbreeding’ to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonizes Muslims. Many inter-Muslim marriages result in healthy children. I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.

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Given the scientific known dangers of inbreeding, why do the British kaffurs have to foot the NHS bill screening for cousin fucking Muslims so they can continue to fuck their cousins? How about that shit gets stamped out. Sadly, expect shit loads more of these retarded genetic screwups to wash into Europe. Of course, not all of them only fuck their cousins…

viktor said:

Man, 70% of Pakistanis are inbred and some people still think letting them in in massive numbers is good to lead to a happy outcome.

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Malkuthian said:

qman said:

Some groups do have less value, whether is based on culture, religion, ideology, or gang affiliation.  Race might have nothing to do with the problem of the group.

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Why do you get to judge other peoples values?

qman said:

"describing prejudice hate towards a specific group"

It's not hate pointing the flaws of a specific group of people, it's observation.

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airclay said:

qman said:

Malkuthian said:

You really want to make a semantic point on this?
Lets not. Lets stick to the point. I would call the view that an entire group of people has less value than others racist. I am used to the word describing prejudice hate towards a specific group. You would not use the word in that sense. Ok. So then it's okay to argue that all Muslims have less value than others?....No it's not. It's still just as bad.

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"I would call the view that an entire group of people has less value than others racist"

Some groups do have less value, whether is based on culture, religion, ideology, or gang affiliation.  Race might have nothing to do with the problem of the group.

"describing prejudice hate towards a specific group"

It's not hate pointing the flaws of a specific group of people, it's observation.

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It's hate when you take that observation and apply it to larger swaths of that specific group instead of remembering that one, ten, a hundred nor a thousand can give you reliable observations to address entire cultures by.

And your ideas of "some groups do have less value" is some weird social darwinian shit. NO, no one person has any less value than another. We are all wholes of experiences compiled to make a human. Every human holds the same value simply because they are human.

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viktor said:

Tipote said:

Children now make up over a third of the people making the perilous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece, the UN has said, as two more babies drowned off Europe’s shores.

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Two babies drowned? OPEN THE BORDERS!! OPEN THE BORDERS NOW!! LET THE WHOLE OF AFRICA IN! BABIES ARE DROWNING!!!

FOR GOD'S SAKE THINK OF THE BABIES!!!!

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I dont think that anyone made the argument that of two babies drowned therefore open the borders to the whole of Africa. I wonder if you realise how ridiculous your statement was. I think you might be competing with hostile for his crown as straw man king.

WAN said:

People in Europe are not obligated to care for the world's poor.  Yes, it is sad that two babies washed up dead on Europe's shore, but that doesn't mean Europeans now have to throw their borders wide-open.

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I think both of you are focusing on the first line of the original news article that i posted. Yet you are both misreading that first line.
The article actually said "two MORE babies".

There have been thousands of deaths in the mediterranean, there are hundreds of children that are washing up in Greece and elsewhere.

It's interesting, WAN, that you care more about how the Israelis look after their dogs than the conditions many refugees have to go through. It continually confirms your retarded prejudice.

No one is saying that because of the two babies, we should open the borders to the entire developing world. Who said that even once?

I'm simply saying that there is a humanitarian crisis going on. People will always come because their countries are destroyed. Europe needs to accept genuine refugees in order to share the burden. If regional countries who are hosting refugees become even more stretched, things will only escalate. What do you think will happen to the countries who are over-capacity and under funded? States can break down and lead to more failed states.

It makes sense to create a safe route to Europe. Not only does it save innocent lives but it also means that Europe can actually check who is coming in. Why risk your life to go by boat, completely under the radar, if you can go in safely and legally. If people go by boat, you can no idea how many people are coming in. Seems to be not only a practical solution but a humanitarian one.

viktor said:

Tipote said:

interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?

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All you've got is emotive shit. It's like arguing with a menstruating teenage girl.

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

Tipote said:

Children now make up over a third of the people making the perilous sea crossing from Turkey to Greece, the UN has said, as two more babies drowned off Europe’s shores.

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Two babies drowned? OPEN THE BORDERS!! OPEN THE BORDERS NOW!! LET THE WHOLE OF AFRICA IN! BABIES ARE DROWNING!!!

FOR GOD'S SAKE THINK OF THE BABIES!!!!

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I dont think that anyone made the argument that of two babies drowned therefore open the borders to the whole of Africa. I wonder if you realise how ridiculous your statement was. I think you might be competing with hostile for his crown as straw man king.

WAN said:

People in Europe are not obligated to care for the world's poor.  Yes, it is sad that two babies washed up dead on Europe's shore, but that doesn't mean Europeans now have to throw their borders wide-open.

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I think both of you are focusing on the first line of the original news article that i posted. Yet you are both misreading that first line.
The article actually said "two MORE babies".

There have been thousands of deaths in the mediterranean, there are hundreds of children that are washing up in Greece and elsewhere.

It's interesting, WAN, that you care more about how the Israelis look after their dogs than the conditions many refugees have to go through. It continually confirms your retarded prejudice.

No one is saying that because of the two babies, we should open the borders to the entire developing world. Who said that even once?

I'm simply saying that there is a humanitarian crisis going on. People will always come because their countries are destroyed. Europe needs to accept genuine refugees in order to share the burden. If regional countries who are hosting refugees become even more stretched, things will only escalate. What do you think will happen to the countries who are over-capacity and under funded? States can break down and lead to more failed states.

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Tipote said:

viktor said:

Tipote said:

interesting how some lives seem to be worth more than others, to some.

do you have children?

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All you've got is emotive shit. It's like arguing with a menstruating teenage girl.

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No, ive outlined mostly practical points too. If you think the world runs only on logic and reason, then you are deluded. To ignore emotion is to ignore half of the human condition.

By point wasn't really about emotion, it was about life. The innocents should be protected. Try to put yourself in another person's shoes.

Despite what starter might say, just because someone is from the third world, doesnt mean they are worth less. That is a barbaric view coming from someone of the so called civilised world. Basic education will show you that the dehumanisation of others is a direct cause of a lot of these problems the world is now facing.

Starter's closest interaction with the "third world" has probably just been a racist aussie in black face.

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viktor said:

Malkuthian said:

But what exactly are you claiming would be the MENA-created problems that causes MENA-population to migrate? What problem is caused solely by them and will be recreated by default when they move to another location?

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Just look at their cultures and countries. If you let them in you can expect the following:

Widespread corruption
Religion being considered more important than education
Terrible treatment of women
Terrible treatment of gays
Terrible treatment of each other
More honour killings

Basically, Middle Easterners treat each other like shit. They treat each other like shit because they are vicious people.

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Malkuthian said:

Starter said:

In this thread Tipote has babbled that borders can't be enforced to hold out immigrants and you've basically repeated the same lie. The immigrants are not equipped like the allies were on D-Day to break through, so the borders need only razor wire, satellite surveillance, drones and European navies towing back boats.

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It also requires a complete lack of humanity and a very egocentric worldview.

Cultural retrogression. We have striven to reduce such barbaric ideas for a long time now. Sad to see them rise.

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qman said:

"there is a humanitarian crisis going on"

There's always some degree of a crisis going on somewhere in the world, that doesn't mean you turn your own country upside down in an attempt to solve that crisis.

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"Europe needs to accept genuine refugees"
No they don't, they can help in other ways that don't include flooding their nations with third world people.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"there is a humanitarian crisis going on"

There's always some degree of a crisis going on somewhere in the world, that doesn't mean you turn your own country upside down in an attempt to solve that crisis.

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But it means you turn your continent into a fortress/prison state?

Yes there are crises globally. It is a global world and all countries are affected. No one is saying that we should turn our countries upside down. Europe is accepting nothing compared to the regional countries. If those countries turn themselves upside down because no other countries share the burden, do you think the problem will get worse or better?

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"Europe needs to accept genuine refugees"
No they don't, they can help in other ways that don't include flooding their nations with third world people.

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I've already outlined ways of reducing the flow and securing safe passage. People will not stop coming though. It is a symptom of how fucked up the world has become. It shows that thinking only in nationalistic terms does not help everyone, it infact fucks up everyone. I agree Europe should do other things as well but its not going to stop people coming.

If Europe doesnt share the burden for a global problem, not only is it wrong but it makes the problem worse. Concentrating the crisis into a few places increases the risk for disaster.

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viktor said:

If you definitely don't want the SD to come into power you should stop letting in Muslims and Africans completely.

If you sort of don't want the SD to come into power you can let in a moderate amount. I suggested 500 a year, based on New Zealand's immigration model, which is 100 times more successful than Sweden's What do you think of 500/year?

If you definitely want the SD to come into power keep letting in 163,000 refugees every year. Probably they will then come to power at the next election.

I just read that support for the SD has gone up by 5.5% since May 2015. So you've probably already left it too late.

You guys should have listened to me 15 years ago.

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qman said:

"People will not stop coming though"

They will once they realize the open door is now closed.

"a symptom of how fucked up the world has become"

Not really, the world has always been "fucked up" to some degree, but when people from these places see a better life in Europe, they are going to try in get in regardless of what is happening in their homelands.

Many of their homelands do suck, but that doesn't justify them flooding into the EU.  Africa has too many people and they can't even take care of themselves, that's a African problem, not a European issue.

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qman said:

http://www.businessfinancenews.com/27632-deutsche-bank-ag-more-turmoil-for-european-banks/

Shit is starting to get very real in the EU, the appetite for poor people coming into the EU as the native population becomes poorer isn't going to sell many people, including liberals.

Also, the debt markets are now coming under more stress, I know people tend to forget that the EU doesn't even have the money to support them own people (they run up debt to do so), never mind third world "refugees".

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Bubbles85 said:

Another night of sexual assaults and rapes in Germany, on the first day of the Cologne carnival.

Police have 190 people in custody. The BBC reported that the police had refused to state the origin of the 190 people arrested at the Women’s Day Carnival in Cologne yesterday, stating they were “a cross section of the general public”

VIDEO TV reporter is sexually assaulted by a man at Cologne carnival amid scores of attacks

Cologne Carnival: 22 reports of sex assaults despite heavy police presence

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