Repertoire89 said:

A poor source is worse than having no source at all, the burden of proof lies with the source (CBO, which was used to make a point), if the source is faulty then it is disqualified.

I'm not suggesting anything about the CBO, only the idea that an invalid source is valid pending any alternative. Invalid is invalid.

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Quote:

The non partisan Congressional Budget Office finds that immigration reform will actually reduce the budget deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars.  Why is that?  Because while they seek citizenship, undocumented workers will be required to pay into social security and Medicare, even though they won't be eligible for them.

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Does that sound dumb, or is that just common sense? 

Repertoire89 said:

Personally I'm on the fence concerning the economic impact of the migration and my stance has softened overall on the issue.

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Repertoire89 said:

The biggest objection I have to the migration now, is that they're unwanted by a large fraction of the native population, and that should be respected. Much like inviting homeless into your flat, against the wishes of half your roommates.

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Bigbadwooof said:

This thread is getting exhausting.

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akira_akuma said:

Bigbadwooof said:

This thread is getting exhausting.

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because the thread is argumentative circular nonsense by now, because it's based on circular logic.

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No, the real issue behind this thread has not been addressed - over population.

I posed these questions back on Sunday saying I would put the answers up on Wednesday evening. They’re relevant to this thread, since no end of the invaders have come from Africa. In 1950 the African population was 228,902,000. In 2015 it was 1,186,178,000 (Source:http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/ : File: WPP2015_POP_F01_1_TOTAL_POPULATION_BOTH_SEXES.XLS).

1.) their percentage of growth over the said time-series?

Future Growth method: 2.5240%
Regression Growth method: 2.63%

Comparing the method of percentage growth against the actual population over the time-series and Future Growth is more conservative where as Regression Growth is more bullish – see growth graph.



2.) their intrinsic growth?

The rm is: 0.0564

3.) how many can decant infinitum to Europe per year without lowering the source population?

I should correct the question, as there will be a lowering but it will reach a permanent equilibrium without extinction – see decant graph. I set the model x for 1000 years and y is millions in population.



You can see as many as 13 Africans for every 1000 can leave every year and basically forever, without Africa running out of people (having reached an equilibrium of same population - see Excel below).

This means 15,420,318 Africans can pile up on Europe’s door in year 1, 15,219,853.54 in year 2 (and so on in the list below), each year demanding to be allowed in for endless generations to come!

15,420,317.67
15,219,853.54
15,030,350.75
14,850,944.43
14,680,858.89
14,519,396.31
14,365,927.21
14,219,882.20
14,080,745.01
13,948,046.33
13,821,358.64
13,700,291.59
13,584,488.05
13,473,620.63
13,367,388.66
13,265,515.46
13,167,746.02
13,073,844.90
12,983,594.40
12,896,792.87
12,813,253.30
12,732,801.98
12,655,277.35
12,580,528.94
12,508,416.44

And finally centuries into the future it levels out where 9,200,000 Africans can leave each year forever. For all practical purposes they can swamp Europe within our lifetime.

This poses a serious question about immigration management that the current policies are not only failing they are not future proofed. Europe, and for that matter the West, needs to understand that there is a third world tsunami flooding in. If we wish to retain our democracies, our freedoms, our security and prosperity, then we need serious border control.

The feeble arguments of the left claiming we must have open doors and cave to emotional blackmail is the greatest Trojan-Horse of disaster we face going forward in this century of population explosion. This libby idiocy has seen to Europe having been invaded by an army of third world, fighting age, males. If they stay there is certain conflict. If they are forced to leave there will be conflict. This could have been avoided if the Right were in charge.

I have put the Excel workings up on this link and you can apply the same methods on any population in the first sheet which was taken from the UN.

http://www.megafileupload.com/aehK/AfricanPopulationGrowth.xlsx

I also suggest this series on ‘Arithmetic, Populations and Energy’, by the late physicist Albert Allen Bartlett.

Above all I suggest folks think about over population and the solution is not to decant the misery into the West.

viktor said:

When is the next major European election? We could see a resurgence of the far right.

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Bubbles85 said:

viktor said:

When is the next major European election? We could see a resurgence of the far right.

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Elections for MEP's are held every five years. I believe the last one was in 2014, so the next would be in 2019.
Obviously each individual country will hold there own general elections, for there own country's government at different times.

Directly elected MEPs represent European citizens in the European Parliament. The Council of the European Union and the European Council are only indirectly legitimated through national elections. The European Council sets the EU's overall political direction, but has no powers to pass laws.

This is where its worth noting, that no other EU institution (the people with the real power) within the EU, are directly elected by the people.
The European Commission's members, are appointed by national governments.
These are the people who are really calling the shots within the EU and they have never even been elected by the people to do so.

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Starter said:

akira_akuma said:

Bigbadwooof said:

This thread is getting exhausting.

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because the thread is argumentative circular nonsense by now, because it's based on circular logic.

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No, the real issue behind this thread has not been addressed - over population.

I posed these questions back on Sunday saying I would put the answers up on Wednesday evening. They’re relevant to this thread, since no end of the invaders have come from Africa. In 1950 the African population was 228,902,000. In 2015 it was 1,186,178,000 (Source:http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/ : File: WPP2015_POP_F01_1_TOTAL_POPULATION_BOTH_SEXES.XLS).

1.) their percentage of growth over the said time-series?

Future Growth method: 2.5240%
Regression Growth method: 2.63%

Comparing the method of percentage growth against the actual population over the time-series and Future Growth is more conservative where as Regression Growth is more bullish – see growth graph.



2.) their intrinsic growth?

The rm is: 0.0564

3.) how many can decant infinitum to Europe per year without lowering the source population?

I should correct the question, as there will be a lowering but it will reach a permanent equilibrium without extinction – see decant graph. I set the model x for 1000 years and y is millions in population.



You can see as many as 13 Africans for every 1000 can leave every year and basically forever, without Africa running out of people (having reached an equilibrium of same population - see Excel below).

This means 15,420,318 Africans can pile up on Europe’s door in year 1, 15,219,853.54 in year 2 (and so on in the list below), each year demanding to be allowed in for endless generations to come!

15,420,317.67
15,219,853.54
15,030,350.75
14,850,944.43
14,680,858.89
14,519,396.31
14,365,927.21
14,219,882.20
14,080,745.01
13,948,046.33
13,821,358.64
13,700,291.59
13,584,488.05
13,473,620.63
13,367,388.66
13,265,515.46
13,167,746.02
13,073,844.90
12,983,594.40
12,896,792.87
12,813,253.30
12,732,801.98
12,655,277.35
12,580,528.94
12,508,416.44

And finally centuries into the future it levels out where 9,200,000 Africans can leave each year forever. For all practical purposes they can swamp Europe within our lifetime.

This poses a serious question about immigration management that the current policies are not only failing they are not future proofed. Europe, and for that matter the West, needs to understand that there is a third world tsunami flooding in. If we wish to retain our democracies, our freedoms, our security and prosperity, then we need serious border control.

The feeble arguments of the left claiming we must have open doors and cave to emotional blackmail is the greatest Trojan-Horse of disaster we face going forward in this century of population explosion. This libby idiocy has seen to Europe having been invaded by an army of third world, fighting age, males. If they stay there is certain conflict. If they are forced to leave there will be conflict. This could have been avoided if the Right were in charge.

I have put the Excel workings up on this link and you can apply the same methods on any population in the first sheet which was taken from the UN.

http://www.megafileupload.com/aehK/AfricanPopulationGrowth.xlsx

I also suggest this series on ‘Arithmetic, Populations and Energy’, by the late physicist Albert Allen Bartlett.


Above all I suggest folks think about over population and the solution is not to decant the misery into the West.

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viktor said:

Bubbles85 said:

viktor said:

When is the next major European election? We could see a resurgence of the far right.

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Elections for MEP's are held every five years. I believe the last one was in 2014, so the next would be in 2019.
Obviously each individual country will hold there own general elections, for there own country's government at different times.

Directly elected MEPs represent European citizens in the European Parliament. The Council of the European Union and the European Council are only indirectly legitimated through national elections. The European Council sets the EU's overall political direction, but has no powers to pass laws.

This is where its worth noting, that no other EU institution (the people with the real power) within the EU, are directly elected by the people.
The European Commission's members, are appointed by national governments.
These are the people who are really calling the shots within the EU and they have never even been elected by the people to do so.

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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant the next election in a major European country.

I've been watching the FN in France and the Sweden Democrats and they appear to be surging upwards.

Britain doesn't appear to have anything like those parties, and if they leave the EU they probably won't ever have to.

In Germany such parties are illegal.

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Ah okay, I'm not sure about the rest of the EU. The UK's next is in 2020.

Yes, the far right in France and Sweden have gained massive support over the last year or two. I would not be at all surprised, if one of the EU's far right party's makes it into a position of power, with the way the EU's attitude has turned on immigration.

It's always been of top concern to many voters, yet decades down the line and politicians have refused to listen to them, which is why we see things panning out the way they are today.

Not only that, but as i mentioned in my post above, the people really calling the shots within the EU, are not even elected to do so by public vote and people have had enough of that IMO. The un-elected are the one's who are allowing migration to continue the way it is. Which is why there is now massive support, for Euro skeptic party's right across the continent.

Britain's only real far right political party, is The British National Party. I believe in the 2005 general election they achieved around 2% of the vote, which for them was massive.

Most voters in the UK tend to side with right wing Euro skeptic party's like UKIP rather than the far right. UKIP actually have a real chance at getting into power IMO.

Depending of course, as you say, on the out come of the planned referendum by the Conservatives this summer, to decide whether we stay in or leave the EU. Fingers crossed its an out vote by the majority. The EU's a joke and its time we started to govern our own country again and took back control of our own boarders.

Being a Island, we don't have to end up in the same mess that the rest of the EU has gotten it's self in to