viktor said:

Almost every Muslim a Western country lets in lowers the average human capital of that country.

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Starter said:

Huge thread in need of a summary:

The lib’tards…
* have fucked Europe and for that matter any Western nation they dictate to.
* refuse to accept their disastrous policies so instead they defend them.
* howl Islamophobia, racist, and bigot at all who disagree with their train wreck policy.
* will blame Europeans/Westerners/ol'YT for not being inclusive enough to the rapefugees.
* will do whatever it takes to hide the awful Islamic truth and lie in the media (and here in the shroomery).

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* Anyone who says the word 'libtard' is a fucking idiot.
* Obviously, you're not qualified to summarize a 70 page discussion on the subject.
* It would appear that the problem is being solved as quickly as it arose.

If you feel that the folly of the left, regarding immigration, is a justification for every right wing ideal, then you have been swept up by the false dichotomy, which generalizes a vast array of socioeconomic issues into a false political dichotomy. The right has been wrong about a slew of things. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. The left has been right about a LOT of things. That doesn't mean they are right about everything

Taking refugees WAS in fact the right thing to do. Taking economic immigrants was not. It is being resolved. Unbundle your panties, and quit fucking crying about it.

I find it hilarious that right-wingers hate educated people so much. It really says a lot about where we are in the world today.

Bigbadwooof said:

Starter said:

Huge thread in need of a summary:

The lib’tards…
* have fucked Europe and for that matter any Western nation they dictate to.
* refuse to accept their disastrous policies so instead they defend them.
* howl Islamophobia, racist, and bigot at all who disagree with their train wreck policy.
* will blame Europeans/Westerners/ol'YT for not being inclusive enough to the rapefugees.
* will do whatever it takes to hide the awful Islamic truth and lie in the media (and here in the shroomery).

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* Anyone who says the word 'libtard' is a fucking idiot.
* Obviously, you're not qualified to summarize a 70 page discussion on the subject.
* It would appear that the problem is being solved as quickly as it arose.

If you feel that the folly of the left, regarding immigration, is a justification for every right wing ideal, then you have been swept up by the false dichotomy, which generalizes a vast array of socioeconomic issues into a false political dichotomy. The right has been wrong about a slew of things. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. The left has been right about a LOT of things. That doesn't mean they are right about everything

Taking refugees WAS in fact the right thing to do. Taking economic immigrants was not. It is being resolved. Unbundle your panties, and quit fucking crying about it.

I find it hilarious that right-wingers hate educated people so much. It really says a lot about where we are in the world today.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Starter said:

Huge thread in need of a summary:

The lib’tards…
* have fucked Europe and for that matter any Western nation they dictate to.
* refuse to accept their disastrous policies so instead they defend them.
* howl Islamophobia, racist, and bigot at all who disagree with their train wreck policy.
* will blame Europeans/Westerners/ol'YT for not being inclusive enough to the rapefugees.
* will do whatever it takes to hide the awful Islamic truth and lie in the media (and here in the shroomery).

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* Anyone who says the word 'libtard' is a fucking idiot.
* Obviously, you're not qualified to summarize a 70 page discussion on the subject.
* It would appear that the problem is being solved as quickly as it arose.

If you feel that the folly of the left, regarding immigration, is a justification for every right wing ideal, then you have been swept up by the false dichotomy, which generalizes a vast array of socioeconomic issues into a false political dichotomy. The right has been wrong about a slew of things. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. The left has been right about a LOT of things. That doesn't mean they are right about everything

Taking refugees WAS in fact the right thing to do. Taking economic immigrants was not. It is being resolved. Unbundle your panties, and quit fucking crying about it.

I find it hilarious that right-wingers hate educated people so much. It really says a lot about where we are in the world today.

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"Taking refugees WAS in the fact the right thing to do"

No it wasn't, it's been a horrible economic, criminal, and social experiment since day one, they fact that the policy is changing and deportation is starting proves it was the WRONG thing to do.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Starter said:

Huge thread in need of a summary:

The lib’tards…
* have fucked Europe and for that matter any Western nation they dictate to.
* refuse to accept their disastrous policies so instead they defend them.
* howl Islamophobia, racist, and bigot at all who disagree with their train wreck policy.
* will blame Europeans/Westerners/ol'YT for not being inclusive enough to the rapefugees.
* will do whatever it takes to hide the awful Islamic truth and lie in the media (and here in the shroomery).

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* Anyone who says the word 'libtard' is a fucking idiot.
* Obviously, you're not qualified to summarize a 70 page discussion on the subject.

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Bubbles85 said:

Then maybe you should read my posts more carefully. I'm down with helping genuine refugees. Especially women and children.
Yet women and children make up a tiny percentage of the people coming, compared to the 80% that we all know are men.

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Couple that with the figures, that 60% of the people coming not even a refugee and you've got a shit storm on your hands, that has completely pissed off the voting public.
Is it any wonder that people are so infuriated, when government officials have consistently lied and tried to falsify the facts surrounding these issues, in a feeble attempt to try to justify what there Liberal "open door policies" have allowed to create?
The EU commissioner has openly stated, that most country's have been being lied to regarding who is coming in. People aren't stupid, the general populace has clearly know all along that there full of shit.

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I disagree with you're simplistic way of thnking, that "in a generation or two these people will have integrated" thats compete and utter bullshit.

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Whilst immigration that is properly managed and controlled can have positive implications, mass migrations like this, serve no purpose, other than to isolate, divide and cause the destruction of entire community's.

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Its also worth noting, that a refugee should seek asylum within the first country of safety.
That means that by law (it obviously wont happen, but it would be lawful) the EU has the right to deport every single refugee from its shores and take them back to the first country they passed through "of which there would have been many" that would have provided safety from the war, on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there.

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circastes said:

I wouldn't doubt for a second that the West is led by idiots, but I wouldn't doubt for a second that the West has superior culture and values that need to be protected.

I also think Western (and Jewish and far-Eastern) genetics should be protected. They are the groups that have proven themselves time and time again to be capable of a higher civilization and life. Japan seems pretty aware of this... Europe must be afraid to admit it because of the early 20th century.

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qman said:

Depends on how one defines "refugee" status. We can see that coming from Syria or Iraq does NOT automatically make that person a "refugee" according to the EU.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Starter said:

Huge thread in need of a summary:

The lib’tards…
* have fucked Europe and for that matter any Western nation they dictate to.
* refuse to accept their disastrous policies so instead they defend them.
* howl Islamophobia, racist, and bigot at all who disagree with their train wreck policy.
* will blame Europeans/Westerners/ol'YT for not being inclusive enough to the rapefugees.
* will do whatever it takes to hide the awful Islamic truth and lie in the media (and here in the shroomery).

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* Anyone who says the word 'libtard' is a fucking idiot.
* Obviously, you're not qualified to summarize a 70 page discussion on the subject.
* It would appear that the problem is being solved as quickly as it arose.

If you feel that the folly of the left, regarding immigration, is a justification for every right wing ideal, then you have been swept up by the false dichotomy, which generalizes a vast array of socioeconomic issues into a false political dichotomy. The right has been wrong about a slew of things. That doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. The left has been right about a LOT of things. That doesn't mean they are right about everything

Taking refugees WAS in fact the right thing to do. Taking economic immigrants was not. It is being resolved. Unbundle your panties, and quit fucking crying about it.

I find it hilarious that right-wingers hate educated people so much. It really says a lot about where we are in the world today.

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excellent post BBW

qman said:

"Taking refugees WAS in the fact the right thing to do"

No it wasn't, it's been a horrible economic, criminal, and social experiment since day one, they fact that the policy is changing and deportation is starting proves it was the WRONG thing to do.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"Taking refugees WAS in the fact the right thing to do"

No it wasn't, it's been a horrible economic, criminal, and social experiment since day one, they fact that the policy is changing and deportation is starting proves it was the WRONG thing to do.

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its poorly managed but it is a crisis, they tend to be quite difficult to deal with.

you seem to miss what BBW is saying when he uses to word "right". Genuine refugees deserve genuine protection. Do you not think any refugees should be allowed into Europe?

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circastes said:

I wouldn't doubt for a second that the West is led by idiots, but I wouldn't doubt for a second that the West has superior culture and values that need to be protected.

I also think Western (and Jewish and far-Eastern) genetics should be protected. They are the groups that have proven themselves time and time again to be capable of a higher civilization and life. Japan seems pretty aware of this... Europe must be afraid to admit it because of the early 20th century.

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"Superior-culture"




The "Western" world, represents a web of cultures (very loosely...) which have strong ties to the rest of the world, over and over again, eon after eon. To say one is superior, is to undermine the foundation of both.

qman said:

"Genuine refugees deserve genuine protection"

I agree 100%, I have no issue with the US/EU providing billions in humanitarian and financial aid to provide that safety. I think that can be provided in that region instead of relocating them 1000's of miles away from their homeland.

"Do you not think any refugees should be allowed into Europe?"

Not into EU countries.  The EU already has a massive problem with the current Muslim population, bringing in more makes no sense.

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Bubbles85 said:

Then maybe you should read my posts more carefully. I'm down with helping genuine refugees. Especially women and children.
Yet women and children make up a tiny percentage of the people coming, compared to the 80% that we all know are men.

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Tipote said:

perhaps I missed your posts saying that but i dont think so.

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I havent seen any of you really acknowledge the genuine part of this crisis, where as everyone else seems to have more of less accepted its just a hassle of war that we just have to deal with, the world will get refugees and its right to accept them. No one has said that economic migrants should be given free reign to come in with the refugees.

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Then again, maybe you have not been reading what has been written. You see what is written, only as you want to see it.
These people have been given a free reign. Namely by brainwashed idiots just accepting there lying asses as "refugees" when some 60% and the overall majority, are just free loaders, destroying Europe. Not to mention 80% of them are men Only now are people coming to there senses.

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I disagree with you're simplistic way of thnking, that "in a generation or two these people will have integrated" thats compete and utter bullshit.

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I don't think its simplistic. Generally speaking, when groups have a generation or two in another country, they integrate/assimilate very well. In some cases this doesn't happen. I never pretended that wasn't the case. This is why i have always said that integration is a two way street, its happens naturally and effectively when both parties are involved. In some cases, the host and/or the immigrant do not put the effort in and this leads to problems. To put all the blame on the host is wrong, just as to put all the blame on the immigrant is wrong.

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Whilst immigration that is properly managed and controlled can have positive implications, mass migrations like this, serve no purpose, other than to isolate, divide and cause the destruction of entire community's.

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what do you mean this mass migration serves no purpose except to isolate/ divide etc?? You keep failing to understand why people are calling this a crisis..!!!

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I dont think you are understanding the law first of all, secondly the EU has suspended that rule. The rule doesnt mean that you can just deport all refugees, it means you must give them refuge in the first stable country they come to.

What do you think would happen to the EU if already poor Greece, poor Balkans, etc take the brunt of this crisis? These countries are struggling as it is even before the crisis, it makes sense that as Germany can cope much better that they could. We should not risk a collapsed government in Greece and elsewhere on the borders of the EU. Germany was right to waive that rule so that refugees would not get stuck in these countries along the way.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote said:

perhaps I missed your posts saying that but i dont think so.

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How about my post right above in this quote that clearly states that i believe in helping genuine refugees? Is that not good enough for you? I've stated it multiple times.

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qman said:

Finnish people chasing Islamic invaders back across the border. Take a good look at these "extreme right wingers" and you will see mothers, fathers, children, grampa and grandma. This is called the general population.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

"Genuine refugees deserve genuine protection"

I agree 100%, I have no issue with the US/EU providing billions in humanitarian and financial aid to provide that safety. I think that can be provided in that region instead of relocating them 1000's of miles away from their homeland.

"Do you not think any refugees should be allowed into Europe?"

Not into EU countries.  The EU already has a massive problem with the current Muslim population, bringing in more makes no sense.

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I'm glad to hear you say that about protecting refugees. We can agree that economic migrants can be deported. No one has a problem with that in this crisis.
If the international community were truly funding these programmes properly in the first place, refugees wouldnt feel like they have to leave the camps in search of asylum elsewhere.

If there was a proper system of widespread resettlement directly from the UN camps, this would take out some of the incentive of coming alone.

Would you support the kindertransport style relocations of unaccompanied children / orphans? Or do you think its still better that they remain the camps?

The EU's issues with integration are not unique to those from Islamic countries. There are tensions about the British against the Polish in some parts of the UK too. Many Poles don't learn the language and I'm told by some that in their own towns there are road signs in Polish.

Many Poles and many Muslims have had no problem integrating, I would say this is true of the majority. Greater efforts should be made by both host and migrant.

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