qman said:

Another day of "cultural diversity" heaven.

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this has nothing to do with cultural diversity. it has to do with bigots hating on each and doing "patrols" in what they see as "occupied zones".

both sides are doing the same thing. no one is imparting the proper moral, here; they are just fighting for the sake of it.

but i will watch it, because it should be rather entertaining, for what that videos worth.

a bunch of Qmen fighting against eachother.

Tipote said:

They would get a hell of a lot of abuse in whiter areas too.

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Bubbles85 said:

Welcome to England brother. I've witnessed shit like this, time and time again. Its like that in every major town and city, right across the country.

Provocative or not, it gets the point across that these people do not assimilate, nor do they have any intentions of trying to assimilate.
Tensions are boiling over and this clearly shows the reality of where the Liberal wet dream of multiculturalism is headed.

Had they done the same thing in a majority white British area, i can guarantee you, that would not have happened. I've seen it with  my own eyes.

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you live in a free country. demonstrations are allowed -- Christians are allowed to gather and demonstrate their dislike for Islam, and Islam visa versa.

doing said demonstrations will enflame the current situation. it's stupid, for stupid people only. why? because you nor anyone else needs to enflame the current, and already stressful, situation, with bumbling-foolish protests about nothing. about their hatred.

another case of foolish "freedom marches" ie a occupy/BLM kind of occurrence -- centered around Muslims not "assimilating".

the only thing any of the video shows is that Muslims and Christians alike are provocateurs.

no one is fighting for a worthy cause, they're just fighting against eachother, because they don't like one another -- for bafflingly stupid religious reasons, mostly; but also misinformed idiot opinions about how bad the slippery metaphorical slope there is with newcomers from other faraway lands, that are found to be inferior based on their religious beliefs.

and these are Christians protesting...the hypocrisy.

but the world runs on the stuff, so... keep going.

PS: all the Muslims in the video are speaking in British accents...they're Brits, not refugees, you bunch of....

PSS: the guy in the beginning, the first confrontation...a Muslim soon comes up to shake his finger at him, and presumably, ask him to stop egging her on, with the "takeover" talk; consider it was clear as day, to anyone with a brain, that he was being facetious to get on the idiot lady's nerves, because he knows what'll get under her stupid skin. she's an idiot shit stirrer, and all that guy is doing is trolling her, telling her "you're just jealous we're taking over, eh? no it's not a Christian country". -- 1:55

part of which is true. a free secular nation can't be a Christian nation.

it's literally a bunch of idiot prideful English wanna-be rebels, going into a predominantly Muslim area to try and "take it back" from free Brits.

just more of the usual idiocy from the bigoted and hypocritical and frankly moronic, idiotic, frankly so-stupid-it-can-knock-the-wind-out-of-you type stupidity, that only a adult child could have, that's proposed in that video. the cuts are nice too...

2:00

"if it was a Muslim symbol you wouldn't be saying anything!"

"no, it's not that --!" *edit*

no it's not that it's a cross, because Muslims believe in Christ too, ya morons, but no, it's about how they are "going into towns to take back what is rightfully theirs by protesting their being there, as free Brits, whom just happen to be Muslim.

they are treating it as if the Muslims took over, but yet, they are marching in to a place where FREE PEOPLE live and they are insisting on taking it back from them, ie taking it over, themselves.

the hypocrisy

only stupid people.

only the stupidest of the stupid human...

you come into town, telling the townfolk that their town is not theirs, but "ours" and we're taking it back...this is what happens. you get accosted. that one guy that pushed the gentleman, that was way out of line. -- those silly people getting mad about Muhammed. that shit is just as hilariously dumb as the Christians getting mad that Muslims are being given citizenship, because they're a Christian country...all of which is not true. because then why are Muslims given citizenship?

only for morons. only for morons. if you agree with Britainfirst -- you amount to a BLM supporter. taste the lovely hypocrisy.

qman said:

airclay said:

Qman you really don't get it either. You should do good read of what capitalism is and how it works. Clearly you're confusing economic policies w social policies as far as what's left and what's right. The tpp is purely a capitalistic endeavor it entirely supports corporations which only exist within capitalism. Again if you'll read my claim it is that all economics from any major party around the world in the last 20 years is purely right wing driven.

communism, socialism and other worker owned endeavors are left wing economically.

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Again, where are these leftist's that you speak about?  Most likely in the classroom and nowhere else, you're arguing in theoretical terms.

"communism"

It never existed on a large scale.

"socialism"

It exists on some levels in some small countries.

"left wing economically"

Please give some examples, the classroom doesn't count.

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Shins said:

airclay said:

Qman you really don't get it either. You should do good read of what capitalism is and how it works. Clearly you're confusing economic policies w social policies as far as what's left and what's right. The tpp is purely a capitalistic endeavor it entirely supports corporations which only exist within capitalism. Again if you'll read my claim it is that all economics from any major party around the world in the last 20 years is purely right wing driven.

communism, socialism and other worker owned endeavors are left wing economically.

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Everyone is wrong but you.

You've had 3 or 4 debates not with different people calling you out about your bullshit about left/right.

Maybe you should take that as a sign.

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get a history book dude

edit: the above two posts where edited to remove dickhead comments, my bad y'all I shouldn't be posting while waiting for pre workout to kick in.

Bubbles85 said:

You're entitled to your opinion Akira, but the sad truth is, is that things are turning ugly. Not just in the UK, but right across Europe.

I for one do not find it funny and nor would you if you lived here, i assure you.

Also, no one claimed that these people were refugee's. The fact that they have British accents and were probably born here, makes it even worse IMO

I agree, fighting over religion is fucking stupid.

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i absolutely love this post.



yeah, it makes what they are saying worse...but personally, most of them are bigots all the same...and some are seemingly toying around and being facetious with the protesters, thinking that THEY are out of line. but as you can see in the video, i find it interesting that a fellow Muslim comes up to that guy and shakes his finger at him for egging the lady on.

but i really wouldn't be afraid of the bigoted "we're coming to take over".

first off: i think most of it is, again, facetious...sorta like "we're already here, apparently, according to you, taking over, so deal with it".

secondly: if anyone is really serious about the threat -- they're foolish. they can't win. there is no such thing as a gentrified Muslim community in the West. it just ain't gonna happen that fuckin' easy.

heightened tensions lead to this build up and release, or "shake-up", of emotional and physical exertion.

high stress situation...people should be less attached to their idiotic idea of their homeland being for Christians only. it's simply a worse place that way. Christians are just as fucking stupid as Muslims...take for example...terrorism in the US...predominantly, NOT Muslim. it's predominantly Christians whom happen to be committing mass murders in the US...mostly for racial reasons, actually.

why? because of the same high stress religious fervor going around everywhere these days. religion is meeting it's maker, and people are going insane over it -- and using other, coincidental happenings, to try and cast all the blame & dispersions against religion on the Muslims, and keep it off the Christians.

Tipote said:

zappaisgod said:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/22/9-things-you-need-to-know-about-hamas-straight-from-its-charter/

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“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

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Much more at the link.

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Weak source. I just told you it is an outdated document - Hamas said that themselves, and they have demonstrated it.

Hamas doesn't represent all Palestinians, it doesnt even represent all Palestinians in the Gaza Strip!

So your statement that supporting the Palestinians is supporting the destruction of Israel is bullshit frankly.

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Shins said:

airclay said:

Qman you really don't get it either. You should do good read of what capitalism is and how it works. Clearly you're confusing economic policies w social policies as far as what's left and what's right. The tpp is purely a capitalistic endeavor it entirely supports corporations which only exist within capitalism. Again if you'll read my claim it is that all economics from any major party around the world in the last 20 years is purely right wing driven.

communism, socialism and other worker owned endeavors are left wing economically.

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Everyone is wrong but you.

You've had 3 or 4 debates not with different people calling you out about your bullshit about left/right.

Maybe you should take that as a sign.

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Everyone is wrong but you

Isn't that the stance you've taken for half of this fuckin thread? You crack me up, dude.

airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

Qman you really don't get it either. You should do good read of what capitalism is and how it works. Clearly you're confusing economic policies w social policies as far as what's left and what's right. The tpp is purely a capitalistic endeavor it entirely supports corporations which only exist within capitalism. Again if you'll read my claim it is that all economics from any major party around the world in the last 20 years is purely right wing driven.

communism, socialism and other worker owned endeavors are left wing economically.

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Again, where are these leftist's that you speak about?  Most likely in the classroom and nowhere else, you're arguing in theoretical terms.

"communism"

It never existed on a large scale.

"socialism"

It exists on some levels in some small countries.

"left wing economically"

Please give some examples, the classroom doesn't count.

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How am I arguing in theoretical terms? just because you don't understand left/right economics? Do you understand what the dictatorship of the proletariat means and how in all of the communist nations the proletariat has never released that control back to the workers?

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akira_akuma said:

Bubbles85 said:

You're entitled to your opinion Akira, but the sad truth is, is that things are turning ugly. Not just in the UK, but right across Europe.

I for one do not find it funny and nor would you if you lived here, i assure you.

Also, no one claimed that these people were refugee's. The fact that they have British accents and were probably born here, makes it even worse IMO

I agree, fighting over religion is fucking stupid.

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i absolutely love this post.



yeah, it makes what they are saying worse...but personally, most of them are bigots all the same...and some are seemingly toying around and being facetious with the protesters, thinking that THEY are out of line. but as you can see in the video, i find it interesting that a fellow Muslim comes up to that guy and shakes his finger at him for egging the lady on.

but i really wouldn't be afraid of the bigoted "we're coming to take over".

first off: i think most of it is, again, facetious...sorta like "we're already here, apparently, according to you, taking over, so deal with it".

secondly: if anyone is really serious about the threat -- they're foolish. they can't win. there is no such thing as a gentrified Muslim community in the West. it just ain't gonna happen that fuckin' easy.

heightened tensions lead to this build up and release, or "shake-up", of emotional and physical exertion.

high stress situation...people should be less attached to their idiotic idea of their homeland being for Christians only. it's simply a worse place that way. Christians are just as fucking stupid as Muslims...take for example...terrorism in the US...predominantly, NOT Muslim. it's predominantly Christians whom happen to be committing mass murders in the US...mostly for racial reasons, actually.

why? because of the same high stress religious fervor going around everywhere these days. religion is meeting it's maker, and people are going insane over it -- and using other, coincidental happenings, to try and cast all the blame & dispersions against religion on the Muslims, and keep it off the Christians.

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Capitalism, also, turns to corruption.

qman said:

The protests against Muslims in the EU has NOTHING to do with Christianity, yes this group was Christian and made is a religious issue, but for the most part the people that are pissed off that their country has been invaded by a bunch of third world immigrants are NOT religious.

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those people are just as orthodox and ridiculous.

akira_akuma said:

Capitalism, also, turns to corruption.

qman said:

The protests against Muslims in the EU has NOTHING to do with Christianity, yes this group was Christian and made is a religious issue, but for the most part the people that are pissed off that their country has been invaded by a bunch of third world immigrants are NOT religious.

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those people are just as orthodox and ridiculous.

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qman said:

airclay said:

qman said:

airclay said:

Qman you really don't get it either. You should do good read of what capitalism is and how it works. Clearly you're confusing economic policies w social policies as far as what's left and what's right. The tpp is purely a capitalistic endeavor it entirely supports corporations which only exist within capitalism. Again if you'll read my claim it is that all economics from any major party around the world in the last 20 years is purely right wing driven.

communism, socialism and other worker owned endeavors are left wing economically.

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Again, where are these leftist's that you speak about?  Most likely in the classroom and nowhere else, you're arguing in theoretical terms.

"communism"

It never existed on a large scale.

"socialism"

It exists on some levels in some small countries.

"left wing economically"

Please give some examples, the classroom doesn't count.

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How am I arguing in theoretical terms? just because you don't understand left/right economics? Do you understand what the dictatorship of the proletariat means and how in all of the communist nations the proletariat has never released that control back to the workers?

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So there's really no such thing as "left-wing" economics, communism turns into corruption, so again I ask, show me an example of left-wing economics!!

Left-wing economics is nothing more than bitching about the status quo, whether that is capitalism, socialism, or communism.

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It's a big issue with many sub-issues. I've been following it closely for years. I'll answer your questions one by one:

>Hey what's your take on the rise of the far right in Europe?

The far-right is an interesting term in itself. On the one had it is used by the media and many pundits to a priori dismiss people who can be identified with the far-right (guilt by association, shaming, demonization: good people agree with us, bad people think like the far-right). This encourages the idea that a PC elite control discourse and politics, thus bolstering support for the far-right. (I'm sure you recognize this basic pattern from your observations of mankind and US politics.)

On the other hand, one should ask themselves whether so-called the far-right is always far-right. What I see are parties and interest groups that mainly stand to the right of established ideology, in particular on immigration, nationalism vs. globalism, political correctness, and so on. Few of these parties and interest groups are fascist as they are often called. The majority of them are simply populist and often xenophobic. However, a large segment of the far-right sympathizers are in fact ideologically aligned with social democrats (who feel there is no better choice than the far-right at this point).

I think the far-right has in part arisen because there has been a power vacuum with the collapse of previously stronger social democratic and liberal parties who have alienated themselves from their voter bases (in favor of identity politics, globalist ideology and EU agendas), and because politics and media have moved far away from what people are experiencing while at the same time the media, police and power elite are in many cases, like in Sweden, are covering up what is in fact going on with the immigration crisis. With this in mind, I think the far right would largely lose voters if the ruling organs would come back to Earth, listen to their voters, and stop covering up the truth and so on.

You also have to look at the rhetoric and how quickly things have changed. Ignoring the roots of several far right parites in Western Europe, you can see that their suggested polices on immigration are in fact to the left of where left parties were just fifteen to twenty years ago. The official line has shifted, the people see it and they're upset. You get fired and crucified in the (social) media if you have the wrong opinions on the immigration issue. I'm not even talking about blatant racism and so on, but simply being opposed to official policy or having experiences that conflict with the mediated reality and received ideology you are expected to believe in.

>Are things getting crazy over there?

Yes. Things have been getting increasingly polarized, censored, desperate. Rapes, violent attacks and racial tensions are increasing. Housing shortages, economic problems, the EU is collapsing, immigrants wind up in unassimilated/unintegrated ghettos, Swedish infrastructure for instance is retracting and collapsing (police have to spend more and more time dealing with migrants and answering calls at shelters), gangs of migrant men from North Africa roam around Stockholm's central station on thieving and groping. They police have come forward and admitted to the problem, but no laws have been changed and nothing has been done to sway this problem. Refugees sit around watching TV at centers all day waiting to learn Swedish, get a job (there are none for low-skilled workers), etc. Fights break out, Christian and homosexual refugees get beaten up by Muslim refugees. Fight after fight. People walk into the Swedish Migration Agency and pour lighter fluid on themselves and the staff, but are stopped. Refugees and migrants don't listen to female social workers, break windows, etc. There are gypsy/Romani beggars everywhere in Sweden for a few years now. I've seen Romani people stealing and robbing others in the streets, but all the media writes about is how they need pity (and free health care, free dental care, etc., etc.), and if you call that into question you're a racist.

>Are the Muslims being scapegoated because a common enemy is needed to distract from economic woes?

To some extent, yes. Some people simply don't like foreigners or Muslims at all. I have worked with many and know several and believe I can see both sides. I think the naive humanism in the West has been extremely suicidal and dangerous. However, people are waking up to the fact that all of humanity is not one, and that cultures are in fact radically different and many of the so-called universal values of humanism and democracy indeed took hundreds of years to make reality and are not givens to the majority of people arriving here today. Just now are people getting a wake-up call: ah, yes, people from different conditions are in fact radically different. These differences of values, religion, background, education, views of women, etc., cannot be overcome by goodwill and a language course with a few well-meaning instructions about local law and mores. (And the only people who dare deal with the issue are the far-right and the so-called far-right.) Then there's the ghost of Islamic terrorism that has people on edge, including Europl's statement yesterday that ISIS is planning large-scale attacks throughout Europe.

I find it greatly amusing that the far-right is considered such a danger when the establishment itself has to extensively lie to and misinform the populace in order to maintain order. They are very much like the description and fears of their opposition.

My citizenship to a country on the otherside of the Atlantic may come in handy. My reading and insights indicate that 2016 is going to be much rougher than 2015 for Western Europe."

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In THE SHOCK DOCTRINE, Naomi Klein explodes the myth that the global free market triumphed democratically. Exposing the thinking, the money trail and the puppet strings behind the world-changing crises and wars of the last four decades, The Shock Doctrine is the gripping story of how America’s “free market” policies have come to dominate the world-- through the exploitation of disaster-shocked people and countries.

At the most chaotic juncture in Iraq’s civil war, a new law is unveiled that would allow Shell and BP to claim the country’s vast oil reserves…. Immediately following September 11, the Bush Administration quietly out-sources the running of the “War on Terror” to Halliburton and Blackwater…. After a tsunami wipes out the coasts of Southeast Asia, the pristine beaches are auctioned off to tourist resorts.... New Orleans’s residents, scattered from Hurricane Katrina, discover that their public housing, hospitals and schools will never be reopened…. These events are examples of “the shock doctrine”: using the public’s disorientation following massive collective shocks – wars, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters -- to achieve control by imposing economic shock therapy. Sometimes, when the first two shocks don’t succeed in wiping out resistance, a third shock is employed: the electrode in the prison cell or the Taser gun on the streets.

Based on breakthrough historical research and four years of on-the-ground reporting in disaster zones, The Shock Doctrine vividly shows how disaster capitalism – the rapid-fire corporate reengineering of societies still reeling from shock – did not begin with September 11, 2001. The book traces its origins back fifty years, to the University of Chicago under Milton Friedman, which produced many of the leading neo-conservative and neo-liberal thinkers whose influence is still profound in Washington today. New, surprising connections are drawn between economic policy, “shock and awe” warfare and covert CIA-funded experiments in electroshock and sensory deprivation in the 1950s, research that helped write the torture manuals used today in Guantanamo Bay.

The Shock Doctrine follows the application of these ideas through our contemporary history, showing in riveting detail how well-known events of the recent past have been deliberate, active theatres for the shock doctrine, among them: Pinochet’s coup in Chile in 1973, the Falklands War in 1982, the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Asian Financial crisis in 1997 and Hurricane Mitch in 1998.

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akira_akuma said:

qman said:

Another day of "cultural diversity" heaven.

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this has nothing to do with cultural diversity. it has to do with bigots hating on each and doing "patrols" in what they see as "occupied zones".

both sides are doing the same thing. no one is imparting the proper moral, here; they are just fighting for the sake of it.

but i will watch it, because it should be rather entertaining, for what that videos worth.

a bunch of Qmen fighting against eachother.

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