Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

airclay said:

lol please again for the however many times I've asked please present one source of right wing anarchism ideology? because I provide endless source of left wing anarchistic thought.

How do you refute that every historical anarchist revolution was leftist based? 

Do you have any idea what autonomous democracy is?

your simple understandings are laughable, it's very obvious that you may have read a lot but that doesn't quite mean you understood it.

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One source of right wing anarchism;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux


Anarchism cannot be left wing by its very definition
  Why do you keep ignoring this? Why do you refuse to think for yourself and continue to quote  so-called "authorities" (the irony) instead of adressing my arguments? 

Yeah I know what an autonomous democracy" is - a form of government.  Democracy is a form of government.  In democracy, the majority have authority over the minority, and how do you enforce democracy? With authorities.

You are not thinking at all. THINK about it.

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Stefan Molyneux is a fucking cult leader who tells people to cut ties with their families if they refuse to convert to Libertarian ideals, because they want to kill you.

Are you a Stefan Molyneux guy? Please say yes. That will clear some things up here.

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Oh look.  More defamation.

Quit parroting the young turks.  I watch them too and you are parroting them verbatim. 

God you guys are incapable of thinking for yourselves.

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Shins said:

Anarchy - "without authority"

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At least 45 people, including 17 children, have died after their boats sank near two Greek islands as the number of deaths of migrants and refugees in the Mediterranean make this the deadliest January on record.

The deaths occurred off two small islands in the eastern Aegean. The highest death toll came when a wooden sailboat sank off Kalolymnos. The coastguard recovered 34 bodies and rescued 26 people. The number of those missing is not known, although between 70 and 100 people were thought to be on board.
At the same time, a wooden boat carrying 49 people sank after crashing into a rocky area off Farmakonisi, to the north of Kalolymnos. Forty people scrambled to shore, one girl was rescued, but six children and two women died.
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Malkuthian said:

This is the big problem, the polarization of differences.

the further apart groups are the further apart they will claim the other side is, with straw man arguments and the like.

Today it's almost impossible to discuss a lot of political issues because you are instantly placed on one side or the other, regardless of your opinions. As long as you say something that goes against one side, you are portrayed as a representative of the other side.

Black against white.
1 or 0.
You must pick a side so we know which team your playing for.
We have to have two sides fighting it out!
You started it
No I didn't
Yes you did
Nuh-uh
Uh-huh.

This overly simplistic concept brings only destruction.
1. Things are more complicated.
2. We need to speak to the perceived "other side" as decent people, not as "libtards", "goatfuckers" or "nazi pigs". Its astonishing that people are not able to have discussions with people that have different political views without starting a war with them...

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Bigbadwooof said:

Their commentary is about as intellectual as 3 children reading a newspaper.

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Tipote said:

Merkel has invited the entire Turkish cabinet to German to discuss the issues. Turkish mafia are making fake life vests and shit dingeys. The Turkish government, who are probably collaborating with the mafia, are using this to their advantage in terms of EU membership.

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akira_akuma said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Their commentary is about as intellectual as 3 children reading a newspaper.

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Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates self-governed societies with voluntary institutions. These are often described as stateless societies,[1][2][3][4] but several authors have defined them more specifically as institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8] Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[9][10] While anti-statism is central,[11] anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[6][12][13][14][15][16][17][18]
Anarchism draws on many currents of thought and strategy. Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy.[19] There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[20] Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[10] Strains of anarchism have often been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications.[21][22] Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology,[23][24] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.[25]

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Mutualism
Mutualism began in 18th-century English and French labour movements before taking an anarchist form associated with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in France and others in the United States.[174] Proudhon proposed spontaneous order, whereby organisation emerges without central authority, a "positive anarchy" where order arises when everybody does "what he wishes and only what he wishes"[175] and where "business transactions alone produce the social order."[176] It is important to recognize that Proudhon distinguished between ideal political possibilities and practical governance. For this reason, much in contrast to some of his theoretical statements concerning ultimate spontaneous self-governance, Proudhon was heavily involved in French parliamentary politics and allied himself not with Anarchist but Socialist factions of workers movements and, in addition to advocating state-protected charters for worker-owned cooperatives, promoted certain nationalization schemes during his life of public service.
Mutualist anarchism is concerned with reciprocity, free association, voluntary contract, federation, and credit and currency reform. According to the American mutualist William Batchelder Greene, each worker in the mutualist system would receive "just and exact pay for his work; services equivalent in cost being exchangeable for services equivalent in cost, without profit or discount."[177] Mutualism has been retrospectively characterised as ideologically situated between individualist and collectivist forms of anarchism.[178] Proudhon first characterised his goal as a "third form of society, the synthesis of communism and property."[179]
Individualist anarchism[edit]

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Collectivist anarchism
Collectivist anarchism, also referred to as "revolutionary socialism" or a form of such,[208][209] is a revolutionary form of anarchism, commonly associated with Mikhail Bakunin and Johann Most.[210][211] Collectivist anarchists oppose all private ownership of the means of production, instead advocating that ownership be collectivised. This was to be achieved through violent revolution, first starting with a small cohesive group through acts of violence, or propaganda by the deed, which would inspire the workers as a whole to revolt and forcibly collectivise the means of production.[210]
However, collectivization was not to be extended to the distribution of income, as workers would be paid according to time worked, rather than receiving goods being distributed "according to need" as in anarcho-communism. This position was criticised by anarchist communists as effectively "uphold[ing] the wages system".[212] Collectivist anarchism arose contemporaneously with Marxism but opposed the Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat, despite the stated Marxist goal of a collectivist stateless society.[213] Anarchist, communist and collectivist ideas are not mutually exclusive; although the collectivist anarchists advocated compensation for labour, some held out the possibility of a post-revolutionary transition to a communist system of distribution according to need.[214]

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Anarcho-communism
Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism[215][216][217][218] and occasionally as free communism) is a theory of anarchism that advocates abolition of the state, markets, money, private property (while retaining respect for personal property),[206] and capitalism in favour of common ownership of the means of production,[219][220] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".[221][222]

Russian theorist Peter Kropotkin (1842–1921), who was influential in the development of anarchist communism
Some forms of anarchist communism such as insurrectionary anarchism are strongly influenced by egoism and radical individualism, believing anarcho-communism is the best social system for the realization of individual freedom.[223][224][225][226] Most anarcho-communists view anarcho-communism as a way of reconciling the opposition between the individual and society.[227][228][229]
Anarcho-communism developed out of radical socialist currents after the French revolution[230][231] but was first formulated as such in the Italian section of the First International.[232] The theoretical work of Peter Kropotkin took importance later as it expanded and developed pro-organisationalist and insurrectionary anti-organisationalist sections.[233] To date, the best known examples of an anarchist communist society (i.e., established around the ideas as they exist today and achieving worldwide attention and knowledge in the historical canon), are the anarchist territories during the Spanish Revolution[234] and the Free Territory during the Russian Revolution. Through the efforts and influence of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Revolution within the Spanish Civil War, starting in 1936 anarchist communism existed in most of Aragon, parts of the Levante and Andalusia, as well as in the stronghold of Anarchist Catalonia before being crushed by the combined forces of the regime that won the war, Hitler, Mussolini, Spanish Communist Party repression (backed by the USSR) as well as economic and armaments blockades from the capitalist countries and the Spanish Republic itself.[235] During the Russian Revolution, anarchists such as Nestor Makhno worked to create and defend – through the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine – anarchist communism in the Free Territory of the Ukraine from 1919 before being conquered by the Bolsheviks in 1921.

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Anarcho-syndicalism
Anarcho-syndicalism is a branch of anarchism that focuses on the labour movement.[236] Anarcho-syndicalists view labour unions as a potential force for revolutionary social change, replacing capitalism and the state with a new society democratically self-managed by workers. The basic principles of anarcho-syndicalism are: Workers' solidarity, Direct action and Workers' self-management
Anarcho-syndicalists believe that only direct action – that is, action concentrated on directly attaining a goal, as opposed to indirect action, such as electing a representative to a government position – will allow workers to liberate themselves.[237] Moreover, anarcho-syndicalists believe that workers' organisations (the organisations that struggle against the wage system, which, in anarcho-syndicalist theory, will eventually form the basis of a new society) should be self-managing. They should not have bosses or "business agents"; rather, the workers should be able to make all the decisions that affect them themselves. Rudolf Rocker was one of the most popular voices in the anarcho-syndicalist movement. He outlined a view of the origins of the movement, what it sought, and why it was important to the future of labour in his 1938 pamphlet Anarcho-Syndicalism. The International Workers Association is an international anarcho-syndicalist federation of various labour unions from different countries. The Spanish Confederación Nacional del Trabajo played and still plays a major role in the Spanish labour movement. It was also an important force in the Spanish Civil War.

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Post-left anarchy
Post-left anarchy is a recent current in anarchist thought that promotes a critique of anarchism's relationship to traditional Left-wing politics. Some post-leftists seek to escape the confines of ideology in general also presenting a critique of organisations and morality.[249] Influenced by the work of Max Stirner[249] and by the Marxist Situationist International,[249] post-left anarchy is marked by a focus on social insurrection and a rejection of leftist social organisation.[250]

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Anarcho-capitalism
Anarcho-capitalism advocates the elimination of the state in favour of individual sovereignty in a free market.[257][258] Anarcho-capitalism developed from radical anti-state libertarianism and individualist anarchism,[259][260][261][262][263][264][265] drawing from Austrian School economics, study of law and economics, and public choice theory.[266] There is a strong current within anarchism which does not consider that anarcho-capitalism can be considered a part of the anarchist movement due to the fact that anarchism has historically been an anti-capitalist movement and for definitional reasons which see anarchism incompatible with capitalist forms.[267][268][269][270][271][272]

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Anarcho-pacifism
Anarcho-pacifism is a tendency that rejects violence in the struggle for social change (see non-violence).[92][244] It developed "mostly in the Netherlands, Britain, and the United States, before and during the Second World War".[92] Christian anarchism is a movement in political theology that combines anarchism and Christianity.[245] Its main proponents included Leo Tolstoy, Dorothy Day, Ammon Hennacy, and Jacques Ellul.

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Green Anarchism
Green anarchism (or eco-anarchism)[239] is a school of thought within anarchism that emphasizes environmental issues,[240] with an important precedent in anarcho-naturism,[199][241][242] and whose main contemporary currents are anarcho-primitivism and social ecology.

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Anarcha-feminism
Anarcha-feminism (also called anarchist feminism and anarcho-feminism) combines anarchism with feminism. It generally views patriarchy as a manifestation of involuntary coercive hierarchy that should be replaced by decentralised free association. Anarcha-feminists believe that the struggle against patriarchy is an essential part of class struggle, and the anarchist struggle against the state. In essence, the philosophy sees anarchist struggle as a necessary component of feminist struggle and vice versa. L. Susan Brown claims that "as anarchism is a political philosophy that opposes all relationships of power, it is inherently feminist".[243] Anarcha-feminism began with the late 19th century writings of early feminist anarchists such as Emma Goldman and Voltairine de Cleyre.

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Tipote said:

just to throw in some news from today..

Dozens drown off Greek islands in deadliest January for refugees

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At least 45 people, including 17 children, have died after their boats sank near two Greek islands as the number of deaths of migrants and refugees in the Mediterranean make this the deadliest January on record.

The deaths occurred off two small islands in the eastern Aegean. The highest death toll came when a wooden sailboat sank off Kalolymnos. The coastguard recovered 34 bodies and rescued 26 people. The number of those missing is not known, although between 70 and 100 people were thought to be on board.
At the same time, a wooden boat carrying 49 people sank after crashing into a rocky area off Farmakonisi, to the north of Kalolymnos. Forty people scrambled to shore, one girl was rescued, but six children and two women died.
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this is another reason why so many men are arriving. many women and children die along the way. it makes sense for men to go as they are more likely to get a job. women are more likely to be raped by smugglers.

Merkel has invited the entire Turkish cabinet to German to discuss the issues. Turkish mafia are making fake life vests and shit dingeys. The Turkish government, who are probably collaborating with the mafia, are using this to their advantage in terms of EU membership.

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Shins said:

Nah its the other way around.  You guys are using leftist double speak.  National anarchy cannot be left wing by definition.  Voluntary, free market communism and co-ops etc.  Still exist in a right-wing free market.  The private organizations in that market could be left-wing in nature, but they still exist under an umbrella of right wing national economy.

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For a century and a half anarchists have been overwhelmingly socialist, despite the concurrent existence of small numbers of individualists in Europe and the USA. A fruitful approach to understanding anarchism is to recognise its thoroughly socialist critique of capitalism, while emphasising that this has been combined with a liberal critique of socialism, anarchists being united with classical liberals in their advocacy of autonomous associations and the freedom of the individual.

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airclay said:

jesus fuck I can't help it. Shins is arguing against almost every history book that exist right now. And we're the ones using "leftist doublespeak".

You do realize your stance here is in direct opposition of the works of every anarchist movement since the late 1700's right?

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qman said:

"reason why so many men are arriving...more likely to get a job"

Right away, Greece is in the middle of a economic depression and these guys are going to get jobs, not likely.

Europe is now entering economic recession and there are going to be massive job losses, it's time to send the "refugees" back in the other direction.

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