Tipote said:

Enlil said:

Why do you keep calling him Bernice?

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i asked him the same thing. I think he is saying that women are bad?

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hostileuniverse said:

WHO makes the rules, laws and regulations that all these "privately" owned businesses are REQUIRED to follow?

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Do you think that having laws regarding pollution or worker safety mean you're not capitalist??? 

hostileuniverse said:

Tipote said:

Enlil said:

Why do you keep calling him Bernice?

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i asked him the same thing. I think he is saying that women are bad?

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Unless you can quote me saying that "women are bad" that's a strawman, right Enil?

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hostileuniverse said:

Unless you can quote me saying that "women are bad" that's a strawman, right Enil?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

hostileuniverse said:

WHO makes the rules, laws and regulations that all these "privately" owned businesses are REQUIRED to follow?

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Do you think that having laws regarding pollution or worker safety mean you're not capitalist??? 

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airclay said:

nope you're simply wrong as the above links have shown.

and as an anarchist, your definition is very very far off from anything anarchistic I've personally been involved in.

Please visit http://1919hemphill.org/ and see what an anarchistic center looks like, I've volunteered here since 2003 and can vouch that there is nothing remotely right wing going on.

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It's okay, though.  We're not going to attribute a sexist position to you without some proof.

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airclay said:

also please explain to me how the Spanish revolution of 36 was a right wing movement?

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Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

Malkuthian said:

Shins said:

That is not capitalism and our current society is not capitalist.

Capitalism is literally the private ownership of means of production.

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Just a question:
Who currently owns the means of production?

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Put simply; a combination of government, central bank, and to a certain degree, private owners.

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Private owners. To a small degree government. You are fucking lost, dude.

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hostileuniverse said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

Malkuthian said:

Just a question:
Who currently owns the means of production?

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Put simply; a combination of government, central bank, and to a certain degree, private owners.

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Private owners. To a small degree government.

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True, and WHO makes the rules, laws and regulations that all these "privately" owned businesses are REQUIRED to follow?

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Shins said:

airclay said:

also please explain to me how the Spanish revolution of 36 was a right wing movement?

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First of all, the revolution did not create anarchism, there were still Vestages of government and other authorities.

Second if it truly were anarchy, unions under anarchy are private organizations, not national systems.  Free market co-ops still exist in a free market, which is a right wing economic ideal.

In other words.  National anarchism is right wing.  It allows a free market for private unions and coops.  Just because private unions can exist in a free market doesn't make free markets left-wing.   

Anarcho-communism is a system of PRIVATE organization.  Anarcho communism cannot exist on a nation wide scale.  That would require every single person to join the union consentual,  which they will not.  The only way to force everyone in a nation into a Communist Union is to do it by force with an authoritarian government.  Having an authoritarian governent nullifies the anarchism

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hostileuniverse said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

hostileuniverse said:

WHO makes the rules, laws and regulations that all these "privately" owned businesses are REQUIRED to follow?

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Do you think that having laws regarding pollution or worker safety mean you're not capitalist??? 

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Seriously dude? You big govt types are tricking hilarious!

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridiculous-regulations-big-government-2010-11?op=1

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Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

Malkuthian said:

Just a question:
Who currently owns the means of production?

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Put simply; a combination of government, central bank, and to a certain degree, private owners.

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Private owners. To a small degree government. You are fucking lost, dude.

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Nope, you're just a victim of the dunning-kruger effect.

You don't know what you don't know

You need to learn a bit more about economics and our monetary/banking system to understand

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LOL! You're the prime representative of the Dunning Krueger effect dude.

We live in a Capitalist society. You live in conspiracy land where everything 'they' say, isnt true! It's all a lie! A big conspiracy! Illuminati! You know the secret, though! You saw it on teh youtubez! Right wingers are fucking nuts.

I should have known where this stupid ass conversation was going the second you criticized me for having an informed opinion, instead of just spouting shit I made up.

'Means of production' does not refer to human labor. Go read a fucking economics book. The least you could do is go and quit wasting ppls time.

Shins said:

airclay said:

nope you're simply wrong as the above links have shown.

and as an anarchist, your definition is very very far off from anything anarchistic I've personally been involved in.

Please visit http://1919hemphill.org/ and see what an anarchistic center looks like, I've volunteered here since 2003 and can vouch that there is nothing remotely right wing going on.

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The citations in your definitions are just two guys' opinions they wrote in their books


The above links shows a couple guys'opinions like yours
they did not prove me wrong in any way, like you didn't.


Right wing is about smaller government and free market capitalism.  There is no smaller government  than anarchism, and no freezer markets than in anarchism
  Anarchism is the extreme right.


Left wing is about larger government and command/control economies

Fascism is a form of statism, or big government, fascism also fommand and controls the economy.  These are left wing characteristics
  Communism and fascism are just two competing factions of lefism, you mostly only differ in social policy.  Both are opposed to right wing economy and free market capitalism

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We live in a Capitalist society. You live in conspiracy land where everything 'they' say, isnt true! It's all a lie! A big conspiracy! Illuminati! You know the secret, though! You saw it on teh youtubez! Right wingers are fucking nuts.

I should have known where this stupid ass conversation was going the second you criticized me for having an informed opinion, instead of just spouting shit I made up.

'Means of production' does not refer to human labor. Go read a fucking economics book. The least you could do is go and quit wasting ppls time.

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Anarchist communism as a coherent, modern economic-political philosophy was first formulated in the Italian section of the First International by Carlo Cafiero, Emilio Covelli, Errico Malatesta, Andrea Costa and other ex-Mazzinian Republicans.[20] Out of respect for Mikhail Bakunin, they did not make their differences with collectivist anarchism explicit until after Bakunin's death.[21] The collectivist anarchists sought to collectivize ownership of the means of production while retaining payment proportional to the amount and kind of labor of each individual, but the anarcho-communists sought to extend the concept of collective ownership to the products of labor as well. While both groups argued against capitalism, the anarchist communists departed from Proudhon and Bakunin, who maintained that individuals have a right to the product of their individual labor and to be remunerated for their particular contribution to production. But, Errico Malatesta put it: "...instead of running the risk of making a confusion in trying to distinguish what you and I each do, let us all work and put everything in common. In this way each will give to society all that his strength permits until enough is produced for every one; and each will take all that he needs, limiting his needs only in those things of which there is not yet plenty for every one."[22]
By the early 1880s, most of the European anarchist movement had adopted an anarchist communist position, advocating the abolition of wage labour and distribution according to need. Ironically, the "collectivist" label then became more commonly associated with Marxist state socialists who advocated the retention of some sort of wage system during the transition to full communism. The anarchist communist, Peter Kropotkin, attacked this position in his essay, "The Collectivist Wages System", which was reprinted in his book The Conquest of Bread in 1892. Cafiero explains in Anarchy and Communism (1880) that private property in the product of labor will lead to unequal accumulation of capital and, therefore, the reappearance of social classes and their antagonisms, and thus the resurrection of the state: "If we preserve the individual appropriation of the products of labour, we would be forced to preserve money, leaving more or less accumulation of wealth according to more or less merit rather than need of individuals."[11] At the Florence Conference of the Italian Federation of the International in 1876, held in a forest outside Florence due to police activity, they declared the principles of anarcho-communism.

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