Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

God you guys are in such denial.  All you do is recite other people you do not think for yourself.

The Nazis clearly had LEFT WING economic policies and RIGHT WING social policies.


Use your brain and think about it yourself,  instead of frantically searching Google for an article which supports your false beliefs.

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What article are you referring to?

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The one you copy/pasted to your mind?

The only way you could possibly think nazis were right wing is if you are just reciting articles you read.  If you were using your own brain and thinking it would be obviously false. 

Is that all you have to respond to? 

Don't be a sophist.

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Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

God you guys are in such denial.  All you do is recite other people you do not think for yourself.

The Nazis clearly had LEFT WING economic policies and RIGHT WING social policies.


Use your brain and think about it yourself,  instead of frantically searching Google for an article which supports your false beliefs.

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What article are you referring to?

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The one you copy/pasted?

Is that all you have to respond to? 

Don't be a sophist.

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I DIDNT COPY/PAST ANYTHING!!!

Apparently you feel my 'thoughts', which are fucking original, are worthy of publishing.

So much for your little fucking rant. Maybe YOU should try thinking for yourself. I am quite good at it, thank you.

Bigbadwooof said:

In the case of the Nazis, it was the social policies that were more important and dangerous. I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise. The atrocities that we hold them accountable for were directly related to their social policies.

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Their economic policy was not left wing. Universal healthcare isn't all that is required for an economy to be left wing. In fact, it isn't a requirement AT ALL. The Nazi party didn't seize the means of production and put it in the hands of the people. That would be leftist economic policy.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Shins said:

God you guys are in such denial.  All you do is recite other people you do not think for yourself.

The Nazis clearly had LEFT WING economic policies and RIGHT WING social policies.


Use your brain and think about it yourself,  instead of frantically searching Google for an article which supports your false beliefs.

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What article are you referring to?

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The one you copy/pasted?

Is that all you have to respond to? 

Don't be a sophist.

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I DIDNT COPY/PAST ANYTHING!!!

Apparently you feel my 'thoughts', which are fucking original, are worthy of publishing.

So much for your little fucking rant. Maybe YOU should try thinking for yourself. I am quite good at it, thank you.

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In fact, it isn't a requirement AT ALL.

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Shins said:

Bigbadwooof said:

In the case of the Nazis, it was the social policies that were more important and dangerous. I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise. The atrocities that we hold them accountable for were directly related to their social policies.

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Speak for yourself.

None of their ideas would have been possible without socialist/fascist funding.  Nazi propaganda was spread with socialist funding.

You are in complete denial.  Cognitive dissonance much?

I can't believe you are still trying to argue that the German national socialist party was not national socialist.  Libtard lunacy that is.

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Their economic policy was not left wing. Universal healthcare isn't all that is required for an economy to be left wing. In fact, it isn't a requirement AT ALL. The Nazi party didn't seize the means of production and put it in the hands of the people. That would be leftist economic policy.

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Holy fuck aren't you a moron?  You don't even know what socialism is!  Socialism is the state controlling the means of production, not the people.  When the people own the means of production it is called CAPITALISM.  RIGHT WING!

Mod Edit:  Offending content left as an example of banworthy content.  Member banned for this post.

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akira_akuma said:

trust me, you wouldn't have gotten through to Shin anyways. he is a revisionist...he thinks we should all have to pay for the crimes of our ancestors and give back everyone's thing's that everyone took, and hand a big apology over to whatever progenitor culture arbitrated first on the planet's face.

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Shins said:

Socialism is the state controlling the means of production, not the people.  When the people own the means of production it is called CAPITALISM.  RIGHT WING!

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Tipote said:

So if we take out all EU citizens from that, we get about 3.4 million (including British leaving the UK) over 13 years

I agree that is alot of people and a big deal. Many times more than the 20,000 Syrian refugees the UK government said it would take over 5 years.
Where does it say it was "completely uncontrolled"? Some of these people now fill the ranks of our NHS so i imagine some selective process was going on. It wasn't just an open door. The NHS would probably implode if we didn't have foreign staff. It at least saved the UK a bomb in training costs.

Labour did this not only for political reasons but also to cater to big business by bringing in cheap labour, hardly a typical left wing policy. As i said, Labour was more centrist under Blair.

Anyway, the point is: what has this got to do with the current migrant and refugee crisis?
The refugee crisis is more recent than Labour. The Syrian war began in 2011. The tories got in to office in 2010. What left wing policies did they implement?

They bombed the middle east, just as the labour government did. That certainly fuelled the refugee crisis.

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Enlil said:

hostileuniverse said:

Nailed it! That's what's so infuriating about ideologues, so determined to prove the other side wrong and their side as "pure as the driven snow" they overlook obvious facts...

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Lol, you described yourself perfectly.

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Enlil said:

No...you've consistently made fun of liberals and praised conservatives.  Comically, you've even taken to calling conservative ideals liberal just because you disagree with them. 

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But what is tearing the EU apart today by allowing it to be flooded with a bunch of third world forgniers?  LEFT WING poltics!!

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Enlil said:

Probably, but I'm not going to bother.  This discussion about what you do or other people do is pretty much a huge tangent to this thread, and I'm not going to go back and read a bunch of your posts to find it.

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Tipote said:

i understand well that the calais jungle has been there for a long while. This is nothing on the scale of what is happening currently.

I dont think that open door and "completely uncontrolled" are the same thing exactly. Not all migrants apply for citizenship, the majority do not even want to stay for more than 4 years. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/settlement-uk
Many people come specifically for work, some come to join families, some are seeking asylum from violence etc. Some settle, some don't. There are visas involved and some controls.

Anyway

the point of this back and forth is that qman was saying ...

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But what is tearing the EU apart today by allowing it to be flooded with a bunch of third world foreigners?  LEFT WING politics!!

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While you can maybe make the case that the centrist labour party under blair allowed many foreigners to come and that multiculturalism is more a left wing policy, this doesnt really relate much to the current crisis except that it means some people in the UK already don't want more people.
Refugees have legal protections under internationally signed treaties, however. Maybe this is what qman means when he says left wing politics?

the refugees were going to come anyway, as i said, no one allowed them (except Merkel) but they are still protected under international law to be able to cross the border. They were coming in the 100s of thousands anyway even before Merkel said shit. It's near impossible to control the border anyway. The refugee crisis is also a humanitarian crisis. People are risking their lives to get to Europe for a reason. Turkey loves this because not only are their mafias making a fucking killing, but its also political leverage against the EU to try and get Turkish membership to the EU.

Does this mean that its all easy peasy? that there are no massive problems? NO

Yes there are failures of the centrist governments of the EU, these policies have pissed off many citizens in Germany and it is the duty of the government to include these people and to mediate the situation. But what risks "tearing the EU apart today" is the violence and thuggery of the right wing groups. It is the right wing that are commiting violence and escalating this situation. There are legitimate grievances but how it is dealt with by everyone indicates how things are going to go.

the failure of the EU governments was not multiculturalism. It was the EU and global handling of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The governments of the West acted like they could do whatever and that there would be no backlash, that no refugees would flood out of failing states. Look at the root cause rather than blame the politicians who "allowed" refugees in.

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One could make the case that the Africa and the Middle East are both failed states,

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should everyone leave and flood into the EU?  NO.

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