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Anonymous #1

Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? * 2
    #22473584 - 11/03/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

In America.  Do they think they're cool?  Do they think it's exotic?  For what ever reason white people loving thinking their great great great grandfather was a native american and this cultural idea I don't understand at all.  I'm sure 5% of them are true.  But why are white people, showing no signs of native american blood claiming they do have native american blood?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473619 - 11/03/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think more than 5% are.  I show no signs, my dad has a little visible, my grandpa obviouly had some.  His grandpa was american indian.  Ironically, that makes me 1/16 native... lol  But I look straight german/british.

More to the point, being white in america is a loathsome state to be in.  Anybody with any chance to claim non-white, non-european or even just non-british heritage is going to do it.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473635 - 11/03/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You're one of them!  That's exactly what they all say!:lol:  Maybe you're that 5% but they literally ALL say the exact same thing you said to me.  They were told by a family member and believe it whole heartedly.  But then when you press them a little further their story gets pretty shaky, then get offended their genetic identity might be bullshit and just angrily claim their 1/X native american based off of nothing except uncle Johnny said so.  "Just trust me on this okay, i'm 1/X native american.  Stop asking questions, uncle johnny has no reason to lie, stop asking questions and let me believe in peace!"


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473685 - 11/03/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Furthermore, I worked on a reservation for a few years!  Not that I would be allowed to stay though... I am too white.  :frown:


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Anonymous #3

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #22473696 - 11/03/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have the market cornered bro, I'm 1/64th.  Them 1/16th boys don't know shit man.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473708 - 11/03/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just did a quick google, and you are right.  About 5% have genetics of natives.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473721 - 11/03/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Way more then 5% of white americans claim they are 1/X native american.  I want to know what the obsession and self deception is all about?  Is it the same reason why some white kids from the suburbs wish they were black?  Or is it a totally different self delusion.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473744 - 11/03/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
Way more then 5% of white americans claim they are 1/X native american.  I want to know what the obsession and self deception is all about?  Is it the same reason why some white kids from the suburbs wish they were black?  Or is it a totally different self delusion.




I provided a reason, you don't buy it?  White guilt.  Its pervasive and shoved down every american's throat from a very young age.  We are taught to loath whiteness and thus desperately search for any type of non-white (or at least non-british) ethnic heritage we can.  Obama is half white, he identifies as black not white.  Recall that lady from the Washington NAACP - she is a ginger who claims to be black.  You know how many white hispanic americans claim to be Mexican?  Most of them.  In school ethic heritages are regularly celebrated in between history class disparaging white heritage.

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Is it the same reason why some white kids from the suburbs wish they were black?




Yea, I would say that is also an effect of white guilt and similar to what you describe. 


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Anonymous #3

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473778 - 11/03/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe white people are just plain.  :loldongs:


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473794 - 11/03/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's not that I don't believe you it's that i'm highly skeptical because I've heard the EXACT same thing from 25 people who all are 100% convinced of their native american ethnicity.  All i'm saying is there is a lot of bullshit floating around and 5% truth floating around.  Which one are you?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473804 - 11/03/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the ginger lady from Washington actually believes she is black.  :shrug:  Self deception is a thing.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473814 - 11/03/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What i'm trying to say is that it's pervasive thought out white american culture.  It's not like a 1 and 20 thing like it is in reality.  1 out of 5 white people I know probably claim native american blood.  There is an artificial belief in native american blood and I don't understand it, I just want to understand it.  Are people just naive?  Is that the answer?  But why native american?  Why not eastern europe?  Or slavic?

Is it because native americans are rare and therefor valuable?  Tricking white people into thinking their gentics are valuable because they think they have native american blood?  Everyone has brittish or german or dutch blood.  I think this delusion of native american heritage gives white people this feeling as though they are special and that's why they believe they're all 1/16 native american.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22473874 - 11/03/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22473890 - 11/03/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Does becky smith really think she is a noble savage because uncle johnny says she's 2.5% native american?  There is something going on that is making white americans wish they were part native american.  Noble Savage may be it, it might be more complex then that.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22474306 - 11/04/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
In America.  Do they think they're cool?  Do they think it's exotic?  For what ever reason white people loving thinking their great great great grandfather was a native american and this cultural idea I don't understand at all.  I'm sure 5% of them are true.  But why are white people, showing no signs of native american blood claiming they do have native american blood?





Its not just a white thing, black Americans very often clain Native American lineage when this is not the case.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22474325 - 11/04/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This phenomenon has always bugged me. They might as well be trying to establish whatever status they're after by saying their ancestors built the pyramids or first discovered fire.

You're so far removed from it, it means absolutely nothing at all.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
    #22474521 - 11/04/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My ancestor killed a mammoth, once.
The entire bloodline is still coasting on that one.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #22478516 - 11/04/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
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Anonymous #1 said:
In America.  Do they think they're cool?  Do they think it's exotic?  For what ever reason white people loving thinking their great great great grandfather was a native american and this cultural idea I don't understand at all.  I'm sure 5% of them are true.  But why are white people, showing no signs of native american blood claiming they do have native american blood?





Its not just a white thing, black Americans very often clain Native American lineage when this is not the case.



Suspicious claimed genetic heritage of native american blood is pervasive through out american black culture too?  NOoooooooo not more silly delusion.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22478531 - 11/04/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Theres a lot of Native Americans in the united States. Its hard for a person to have a family tree without at least ONE native american thrown in somewhere. Having a kid with one Native american will throw some native blood in your family tree. And then when that kid has a baby with a white person it will cancel out some of the native blood returning more whiteness to the person. If a person does not turn bright red like a lobster if they go outside on a summer day then they might have a little native in them.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Why do white people think they're 1/16 Native American? [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #22478551 - 11/04/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #7 said:
Theres a lot of Native Americans in the united States. Its hard for a person to have a family tree without at least ONE native american thrown in somewhere.



This is a false statement probably made by one of those people who were told by uncle jim that they're 1/X indian.  The Cornell University Genetic Ancestry Project estimates Native American blood to be in between 4%-5% of the entire US population.  With self identifying Native Americans making up 2% of the US population.


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