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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits'
    #2194882 - 12/22/03 02:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The loss of David Kay is being interpreted by many analysts as signalling the end of the major effort to discover any hidden weapons.

Gee. Could there really be no WMD? Or is this guy just a lazy government bureaucrat, like the rest of 'em, who knew his government paycheck was secure so he did nothing to earn it.

If it (the search for WMD) was privatized/deregulated, would we have our proof that the war was justified? Maybe these guys should be paid per WMD they turn up...maybe then something would turn up. What does Rush Limbaug think of this?


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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2194915 - 12/22/03 02:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder when Bush apoligists will finally realise that BushCo. lied about WMDS in Iraq?


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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2194920 - 12/22/03 03:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Bush didn't lie. he just relied on "bad intelligence" :lol:


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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2195235 - 12/22/03 09:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, kinda like that aspirin factory deal.


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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: ]
    #2195250 - 12/22/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Would that be the pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan where soil samples taken 60 feet from the main gate were found to contain a direct precursor of VX?

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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: Phred]
    #2195255 - 12/22/03 10:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think that's it. Why do you ask?

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Re: America's main Iraqi WMD seeker 'quits' [Re: ]
    #2195282 - 12/22/03 10:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to see if we were thinking of the same factory. Here's a few excerpts from an interesting rehash of what the deal was with that plant. The full article can be found here --
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

For nearly two years, starting in 1996, the CIA monitored the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. The plant was known to have deep connections to Sudan's Military Industrial Corporation, and the CIA had gathered intelligence on the budding relationship between Iraqi chemical weapons experts and the plant's top officials. The intelligence included information that several top chemical weapons specialists from Iraq had attended ceremonies to celebrate the plant's opening in 1996. And, more compelling, the National Security Agency had intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi scientists and the plant's general manager.

Iraq also admitted to having a $199,000 contract with al Shifa for goods under the oil-for-food program. Those goods were never delivered. While it's hard to know what significance, if any, to ascribe to this information, it fits a pattern described in recent CIA reporting on the overlap in the mid-1990s between al Qaeda-financed groups and firms that violated U.N. sanctions on behalf of Iraq.

The clincher, however, came later in the spring of 1998, when the CIA secretly gathered a soil sample from 60 feet outside of the plant's main gate. The sample showed high levels of O-ethylmethylphosphonothioic acid, known as EMPTA, which is a key ingredient for the deadly nerve agent VX. A senior intelligence official who briefed reporters at the time was asked which countries make VX using EMPTA. "Iraq is the only country we're aware of," the official said. "There are a variety of ways of making VX, a variety of recipes, and EMPTA is fairly unique."


The Clinton administration heavily emphasized the Iraq link to justify its 1998 strikes against al Qaeda. Just four days before the embassy bombings, Saddam Hussein had once again stepped up his defiance of U.N. weapons inspectors, causing what Senator Richard Lugar called another Iraqi "crisis." Undersecretary of State Thomas Pickering, one of those in the small circle of Clinton advisers involved in planning the strikes, briefed foreign reporters on August 25, 1998. He was asked about the connection directly and answered carefully.


Q: Ambassador Pickering, do you know of any connection between the so-called pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and the Iraqi government in regard to production of precursors of VX?



PICKERING: Yeah, I would like to consult my notes just to be sure that what I have to say is stated clearly and correctly. We see evidence that we think is quite clear on contacts between Sudan and Iraq. In fact, al Shifa officials, early in the company's history, we believe were in touch with Iraqi individuals associated with Iraq's VX program.


Ambassador Bill Richardson, at the time U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, echoed those sentiments in an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer," on August 30, 1998. He called the targeting "one of the finest hours of our intelligence people."

"We know for a fact, physical evidence, soil samples of VX precursor--chemical precursor at the site," said Richardson. "Secondly, Wolf, direct evidence of ties between Osama bin Laden and the Military Industrial Corporation--the al Shifa factory was part of that. This is an operation--a collection of buildings that does a lot of this dirty munitions stuff. And, thirdly, there is no evidence that this precursor has a commercial application. So, you combine that with Sudan support for terrorism, their connections with Iraq on VX, and you combine that, also, with the chemical precursor issue, and Sudan's leadership support for Osama bin Laden, and you've got a pretty clear cut case."

pinky


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