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Re: My Goodbye [Re: GonzoCool]
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Blastrid said:
>I'm not gonna make any judgements, or declare any stupid wild speculation. Too >many of you are pulling reasons and accusations out of thin air, and it's just >making everything worse.

I agree! Everyone needs to calm the fuck down! I can't believe all the negative things that have been said about the other admins who put so much time and effort into this site. That's just plain rude and completely out of line. Obviously, this issue is far more complex then some of you care to believe.

I know I haven't been here as long as some of us, but that's just my 2 cents.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Demiurge]
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Seems that stubbornness brings out the worst in people.

Ok people it seems to me that 3D got the first word in, and no one ever actually listened to the things admins have been saying. I think mistakes have been made on both sides, especially by the admins (and ESPECIALLY if that shit about messing with 3D's admin rights and stealing his accoutns and shit), but 3D has obviously made some mistakes as well, and it is his decision to leave. Don't start yelling at me that I'm "pro-admin" but I did see some valid points that they raised, points that were completely ignored.

On the other side, the admins seem to be taking the holy holy we are saints stance....admins you can't expect us to believe you did everything right? I mean seriously, fucking apologize for something! Admit some fault in this! All you can say is "I'm sorry 3D decided to leave" well how about "I'm really sorry I treated 3D the way I did, or talked to him the way I did, I'm sorry I treated him WITHOUT RESPECT". That's what it comes down to, regardless of who was right or wrong, if what 3D, his room mate, some others have said about the way you treated him, then I think you guys could genuinely apologize...but I think you are afraid of admitting anything because you think we'll usurp you or there will be a great coup of the shroomery or something...or maybe 3D will change his mind and you really actually don't want that? I don't know.

Remember I am not only bagging on you guys, 3D may very well have done things wrong, acted irradically, who knows, I haven't been here as long as most of you but I've seen him as a great guy and I see a lot of people who respect him, but he isn't infallable. My overall point though is for him to leave in the way he did, I'm positive that the admins who are left must have treated him with disrespect, for all he has done here. I'm new here, yes, but from reading posts from various people it seems that 3D is more responsible than any of the other admins for what a great place the shroomery is, the shroomery that I really really like (I spend hours here each day just reading posts, this really is the best online community I've seen, a community that I'm trying to become a part of), then I think he deserves more respect than what he was given.

But seriously everyone needs to calm the fuck down. And we really need to hear resolution about admins logging into 3D's account's without his knowledge or consent. That is something that needs to be clarified, if you didn't do anything explain yourself so the stigma won't remain over your heads and if you did do something then fucking admit it and apologize.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: jong21]
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I think that if 3d needs money to keep the site and pay for things
than those of us that support him should send him some money
if we all sent him 5 to 10 bucks a piece than he could pay the bills and keep control until everything returns to normal.


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Sombie]
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well heres my sense on the whole ordeal...the shroomery is slow as hell now, unbearably slow...waiting close to a minute for a page to even open...not just load and im on a T3. sql errors up the ass not to mention all the other issues with the site as of recently. so your what is your commitee gonna do now? it seemed like 3d was doing fine, and now that theres a commitee things are falling apart. this change is a bad idea...3D if you open a new forum, ill be first in line to sign up...id never leave the shroomery, but you guys have to get your shit together before this site falls apart.
if its just a server thing, or money for that matter, did you guys ever consider asking for donations? im pretty sure everyone registered to this site would donate 10$ or so a year. and how many hundreds of users post?

3d, as far as things go with people 'stealing your accounts' and 'illegaly taking domain names'...theres things you can do when people break the law...

~JSlice~


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: angryjslice]
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"Men at some time are masters of their fates: The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings".

Best wishes 3D...


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The punishment which the wise suffer, who refuse to take part in government, is to live under the government of worse men.

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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this is bad news, but what's done is done.  :nonono:
sorry to see you go 3d.  :sad:
let us know when you start your new site.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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That really sucks what they have done to you 3D... this website has gone downhill since OTD was closed.  Hope it recovers, but the magic seems to be gone.

Looks to me like the rest of the admins wanted as much power as 3D, or they wanted to bring down his power to their level, so they stage a coup under the guise of forming a "democratic committee" knowing full well 3D wouldn't agree and leave or be pushed to the sidelines.  Problem is usually only crap comes out of committees that have no leaders.  Without a leader lame stuff will happen like OTD getting closed because they will "have no choice" because one guy brings the issue to the table and the majority votes for it.  Seen stuff like that happen too many times on the internet, where anonymity from the public makes it too tempting for the voters to pick selfish choices over the right thing.  Power corrupts!  :rolleyes:  It takes a strong leader like 3D to resist that corruption.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: eric_the_red]
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edit: for the Lord hath spoken.

Edited by MetaShroom (12/10/03 04:23 PM)

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: MetaShroom]
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as the viel breaks

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: ]
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i, for one, trust none of the admins right now, but am swayed toward the forces which include thor and anno.

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Demiurge]
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My advice is for everyone to just STEP BACK, take a deep breath, and think before you post. I've been around this place quite a while (member # 18) and I have noticed that everytime we have one of these Shit Storms its the same people pouring gas on the flames and complaining because the place is burning down, and then pointing fingers instead of being in the water-bucket line. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. It doesn't have to be this way, folks.

Obviously some mistakes were made, but it doesn't do ANY damn good to start pointing fingers. I've never gotten involved in personal attacks and vendettas against this user or that forum because it all fits together and we always stumble through somehow. Is OTD the heart of the Shroomery? Hell no. Its an organ in the body that is the Shroomery;What body part it is I will leave up to your imagination. But it's necessary. Now if it starts spilling its contents everywhere and poisoning the body as a whole then it might need containing. Not changed.

As far as individuals go, it seems to me Papaver is doing just fine. I don't know what he does technically and really don't care. He does a lot of things that go unnoticed in terms of personal relationships. Every organization needs someone like him and I'm glad he's here. Ythan? Come on. He's the founding father of the Shroomery- none of us would be here posting if it wasn't for him. He's a class act and you won't ever see him taking part in attacks like what has gone on here- he'll kick back, gather his thoughts, and when the time is right say just what is needed and no more.

Peace out.

-Jell


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Jellric]
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well said Jellric
good to have more oldschoolers who know whats up

everything will be aaaaall good  :grin:


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Suffer]
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>And you think 5 people with absolute power is really any better then 1 person with absolute power? Its just more of the same, its not like we have any influence as to who is an admin and who isnt.


This is a good point. The only people affected by this deision are the administrators.

A body of five non-elected, self-appointed officials does not a democracy make, and it is silly to pretend that there are any noble intentions behind what has gone down here.

Ythan made a post not too long ago regarding community ownership. His point was that the community makes this place what it is and that they will only support this place as long as they feel that their voice is heard. It makes no difference whether the voice of the people are heard by one or five people, just as long as it is heard.

That being said, I had tried to work with 3d several times while I was a moderator here, and I definately understand the frustration of the other administrators. A title with no power is a ridiculous thing, and power is the knowledge that you can do something if you want to.

What effect this will have on the community will be interesting. It probably won't have much of one at all though, unfortunately, and I say that only because effects are interesting


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The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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This isn't a country. It is a website.

It isn't about noble intentions. The administrators have put a lot of their own time into this website as well. 3D would have gotten nowhere with the shroomery without the dedication of most of the current admins. It is fair that they wanted some power to make decisions, and unfair that 3D couldn't realize that it wasn't only about him and his website anymore.

That's my take, let's end this "democracy" crap. We are a member of an online community, yes, but it is still just a web server. I'm confident that the current administrators do care about keeping and making the shroomery a better place, we'll never know all the details of "what went down" so let's move on.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Quote:
A body of five non-elected, self-appointed officials does not a democracy make


Who ever claimed this was a democracy?

It's a private site. Democracy doesn't apply.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: My Goodbye [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: My Goodbye [Re: ]
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Can we still have a Homecoming King and Queen?


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I'll vote you for queen if you vote me for king...


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: afoaf]
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Whatever, just as long as I'm on top you can call me whatever you like sweet cheeks.


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Re: My Goodbye [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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:shocked:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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