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Can You Recommend A Keyboard?
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So im probably gonna  be getting rid of my Hammond organ in the next few months and would like to replace it with a portable keyboard with a decent organ, piano, strings setting, and a really good brass sound would be a huge bonus.  Im looking for something I can record with and plug into an amp.  im not very knowledgeable on these kind of keyboards so do you guys have any recommendations?  my budget will be around $500 give or take


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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I don't play, but my brother and dad did. Growing up, our living room was always filled with pianos and organs. The centerpiece was eventually a Steinway grand piano.
My brother had an Akai AX-80 midi compatable keyboard. It can be used to compose tracks, you can pre-arrange background acompanyment and drum tracks, for one-man-band live performance. You can capture, modify, and create custom sound waveform 'samples'  Another similar, more widely known instrument is the Yamaha DX-7. These are studio quality instruments that can be found used for cheap, and are very flexible. Electric piano is a mundane task for one of these guys. They can emulate horns, strings, your Hammond organ, and any other sound, real or imagined.
Hope that helps in some kind of way.


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Rockhound]
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Kurzweil makes quality stuff

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Go with Yamaha or Roland. Go down to your local shop and try some out.
Amp makes a huge difference too, so if you bring your own headphones you have a standard when you are listening .


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: plektheplek]
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Are you just producing songs studio like, or are you trying to get one for live play? There are some fancy keyboards out there with really great sound presets, but you'll have a lot more control and flexibility if you use a computer as the synth or sampler, and whatever keyboard as a midi input. Assuming you're using one for live play, you can use a laptop with your sound presets preloaded for easy access too.

Try some used music equipment stores, and test em out to see what's both comfortable and in your price range.

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Corsair Vengeance K70 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Black - Cherry MX Red (CH-9000011-NA)

thats what its called on newegg, it is good.

someone just told me u werent asking for computer keyboards, i should probably read. haha anyway if u want a good keyboard for computers thats a good one, i was wondering why you said 500$

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: psychedelicgoose]
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This seems like a good one:




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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
Are you just producing songs studio like, or are you trying to get one for live play? There are some fancy keyboards out there with really great sound presets, but you'll have a lot more control and flexibility if you use a computer as the synth or sampler, and whatever keyboard as a midi input. Assuming you're using one for live play, you can use a laptop with your sound presets preloaded for easy access too.

Try some used music equipment stores, and test em out to see what's both comfortable and in your price range.



not for live performances.  a midi sounds cool, but I like the feel of a real keyboard.  I guess I could do computer/midi effects for brass and synth sounds, but I would like a keyboard that has a really rich piano, electric piano, organs, and either strings or a flute sound


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Shroomin Capote said:
PatrickKn said:
Are you just producing songs studio like, or are you trying to get one for live play? There are some fancy keyboards out there with really great sound presets, but you'll have a lot more control and flexibility if you use a computer as the synth or sampler, and whatever keyboard as a midi input. Assuming you're using one for live play, you can use a laptop with your sound presets preloaded for easy access too.

Try some used music equipment stores, and test em out to see what's both comfortable and in your price range.



not for live performances.  a midi sounds cool, but I like the feel of a real keyboard.  I guess I could do computer/midi effects for brass and synth sounds, but I would like a keyboard that has a really rich piano, electric piano, organs, and either strings or a flute sound



In general, a majority (99% :lol:) of the keyboards you're going to get will have midi output. There are some nice keyboards out there that will have weighted keys and stuff too, look around for some that have them if you want a real keyboard feel. What I'm saying is that you might not have to necessarily pay premium price for something merely because of the preset sounds on it, but go for feel instead and use your computer as your synth/sampler instead.

As far as those instruments go, here are a few for starters.

Rich Piano:







Those are all sampled piano libraries. The following one is completely synthesized to my knowledge - and it sounds really good in that sense.





Electric Piano:

Pretty much any modern VST synthesizer will give you this sound - among others. Good VST's to look out for are Massive, Sylenth1, Absynth, Zebra² and hundreds of others. These ones I've listed have active communities that develop a lot of sounds if you don't want to make your own - and are easy enough to understand if you happen to want to get into the synthesis and articulation in them.

Organs:
Same as above.

Strings:









Flute:





You can download all of these programs (and thousands more) (it's a warez site) here:

http://audioz.eu/

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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If I were you I would get a any old keyboard with midi and then use software for the sound.  You vould get an old used midi capable keyboard for dirt cheap.

otherwise I would get an access virus.


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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holy shit! thanks.  damn all of these programs and stuff is kinda overwhelming since I haven't started recording anything yet and don't really know what I need to start.


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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I bought a  yamaha keyboard for 200 and i can't figure out how the midi works but it has weighted keys so:shrug:

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Shroomin Capote said:
holy shit! thanks.  damn all of these programs and stuff is kinda overwhelming since I haven't started recording anything yet and don't really know what I need to start.



Start with a DAW.

FL Studio - http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8410196/FL_Studio_Producer_Edition_11.0.0_Final_-_R2R_[ChingLiu]

or

Ableton - http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9225057/Ableton_Live_9_Suite_9.1.0_(Win_64_bit)_(patch_IO)_[ChingLiu]

Are probably the two most popular. There are many others as well. See which one looks like the easiest to work with in your head. Keep in mind all DAWs are more or less the same, your choice should just depend on how your workflow works best with the given GUI's of each DAW. They all sound the same, you will not have one DAW whose end product will sound worse than any other DAW assuming you do the same exact things in each, so it is truly up to your workflow habits. I personally prefer FL Studio because it's got a nice layout and is easy to work with.

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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ive used ableton before, but idk if it would be good for what I want to do-space rock/prog and classical music


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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Shroomin Capote said:
ive used ableton before, but idk if it would be good for what I want to do-space rock/prog and classical music



Look beyond the lines, it's only going to be formulaic and electronic if you stick to that 4/4 beat and have every note evenly spaced. You can create some realistic sounding guitar sounds using a clean guitar sound and then layering effects on it. You can record your midi keyboard into the thing with whatever sound you are playing it with in real time to make it sound more natural and less electronic. I admit that I have not mastered this yet, however I've been trying to get a more psych rock sound with some of the songs I've been making in the last week, and looked up some tutorials on how to get that through computerized effects.

Got a solid grasp on how to emulate a guitar sound and attach any effect to it for example. Got solid drum programs that have a lot of midi settings to get a realistic drum sound. Here is a video of a kontakt drum instrument that I like. However there are dozens of others that I've yet to try that are supposedly better and more realistic:



That's just one of hundreds of drum kits you can get for example, here is another:





With drums out of the way, lets go to guitar effects. A lot of people think that guitar is hard to properly emulate because they get these vsts that sound dull and generic, but it's because they don't really use enough effects. There is a program called Guitar Rig Pro for example, that acts as hundreds of different effects pedals to emulate guitar effects. You can use these effects on midi input, or layer it on an actual guitar recording, and it sounds great.





If you get a fancy sounding synth that sounds like a clean guitar input, you can get crazy with the notes and pitch bends and really make it work when you layer these effects on it. Yesterday I had an orchestral string library running through guitar rig, and it sounded pretty awesome just dicking around with it. Like a totally distorted rock violin. :lol:

Now this is why I personally think FL Studio is better for my personal workflow. After using it for quite a bit, I can just see where to put everything and can really work my way around it to layer stuff and automate sounds (FL Studio has a really intuitive automation, very easy to use).

Now for orchestral songs, it's pretty much the same, just getting really complex with articulations, instrument layering, tempo changing (you can automate tempo as well, keep that in mind when making songs). Let's say you need orchestral drums:



Use those, automate volume, intensity, etc. through the modulation wheels on your keyboard. Do the same for your strings, horns, other instruments. And then keep in mind that when you are done with whatever you are making, you can take the midi data of each instrument and put it to sheet music.

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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dude....that was exactly what im looking for.  thanks.  you just earned yourself 5 big ones :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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so do I need a mixing board or just FL studios and other programs?


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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I have an Akai MPK-49, great midi keyboard, the keys are weighted and feel fantastic, i really enjoy playing on it. It also comes in an 88 key version if you're looking for a full keyboard.

Everythings great about it except the drum pads which are not nearly sensitive enough to be worth anything. But thats a small drawback.

If you were to get a midi keyboard like mine you would not need a mixer as they are USB, damn near plug and play, very easy to use.


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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: Shroomin Capote]
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propensity said:
I have an Akai MPK-49, great midi keyboard, the keys are weighted and feel fantastic, i really enjoy playing on it. It also comes in an 88 key version if you're looking for a full keyboard.

Everythings great about it except the drum pads which are not nearly sensitive enough to be worth anything. But thats a small drawback.

If you were to get a midi keyboard like mine you would not need a mixer as they are USB, damn near plug and play, very easy to use.



That thing looks like a beast. Very nice looking.

Shroomin Capote said:
so do I need a mixing board or just FL studios and other programs?



The one propensity mentioned definitely has some mixer controls. With FL Studio and Ableton both, you can pretty much assign any button or knob to the mixer channels, to whatever controllable input is on the software actually. Or likewise, you can just do it with a mouse. If you have a tablet - android or ipad - or even a smart phone, you can download a few apps that will wirelessly act as a midi controller as well. Not very good for actual keyboard uses, however they do the job for knobs, sliders and switches pretty decently actually, and are customizable as well.

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Re: Can You Recommend A Keyboard? [Re: PatrickKn]
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thanks guys.  one more question.  if I were to get that guitar and drum software you mentioned earlier, would I still need FL studios?  and how would I sync them onto the same track if im using different software?  Is that when a mixer would be necessary?


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