morrowasted said:

IIRC what I was told is theres like two different LSD isomers, one 25 and one 12, and the 12 gives a heavier body load. the 25 degrades into the 12 with exposure to heat and light. this could all be disinformation though so don't quote me on it

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Flower Child said:

Imagine if LSD-25 was simply the 25th isomer.

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morrowasted said:

IIRC what I was told is theres like two different LSD isomers, one 25 and one 12, and the 12 gives a heavier body load. the 25 degrades into the 12 with exposure to heat and light. this could all be disinformation though so don't quote me on it

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heat and light degrades LSD to lumi-LSD, which is not known to have any effects at all

MrBlueYoMind said:

WAIT!  I thought heat degraded LSD into 25i-NBOME?!?!

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it's a common misconception but it's actually custys/wooks/underages/news journalists that degrade LSD into 25I-NBOMe.

fee said:

LSD-25 is called sunshine acid after Florida "the sunshine state" because Florida is full of oranges and LSD-25 has vitamin C in it, hence "sunshine acid".

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Dark_Star said:

The only active LSD is LSD-25. It's called 25 simply cause its the 25th chem in that family that Albert worked with. Purity doesn't play a role in how you feel at normal doses. You will find the same distribution, of the same side effects with the studies done with Sandoz...all the same purity, as you'll find with the LSD of today. The purity of crystal affects the potency. If someone lays 100 mics of 70% pure crystal per dose it'll be around 70 mics of LSD per dose. If the crystal is 99% pure it'll be around 99 mics per dose. This affects the experience regarding potency, not an increase in side effects. However, if you eat a higher dose, you may be more apt to experience side effects. I've fed some folks the highest quality LSD out there, purity of crystal & dosage wise, and some have sworn it was an RC, cause the trip was rough. in reality, they were just used to weak L, and had taken a multiplied dose much higher than they ever had before, and were not prepared. If you want to know the purity of the LSD crystal on your blotter, you'll have to send a sample into a lab to be assessed professionally. That's the only way. Unless you happen to have a GC/MS sitting around....

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5cruffyMuff said:

Some one told me that Albert Hoffman's discovered lsd and that the lsd he synthesized back in the 60s is a different lsd then what's being synthesized today. Is that true?

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Radicall-Lysergic said:

Dark_Star said:

The only active LSD is LSD-25. It's called 25 simply cause its the 25th chem in that family that Albert worked with. Purity doesn't play a role in how you feel at normal doses. You will find the same distribution, of the same side effects with the studies done with Sandoz...all the same purity, as you'll find with the LSD of today. The purity of crystal affects the potency. If someone lays 100 mics of 70% pure crystal per dose it'll be around 70 mics of LSD per dose. If the crystal is 99% pure it'll be around 99 mics per dose. This affects the experience regarding potency, not an increase in side effects. However, if you eat a higher dose, you may be more apt to experience side effects. I've fed some folks the highest quality LSD out there, purity of crystal & dosage wise, and some have sworn it was an RC, cause the trip was rough. in reality, they were just used to weak L, and had taken a multiplied dose much higher than they ever had before, and were not prepared. If you want to know the purity of the LSD crystal on your blotter, you'll have to send a sample into a lab to be assessed professionally. That's the only way. Unless you happen to have a GC/MS sitting around....

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Thanks. Very informative... I'm really on the fence about wether purity makes a difference.  I have just have Lucy before that felt so clean and euphoric with amazing clear flowing visuals that it put me in a state of ecstasy and hardly felt any body load. Part of me thinks these cleaner feeling trips r just due to a great set and setting with good vibes and energy but still half of me wants to believe there is purer cleaner acid that effect the trip IMO .

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MrBlueYoMind said:

WAIT!  I thought heat degraded LSD into 25i-NBOME?!?!

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Cant tell if joking.

D.M.T said:

5cruffyMuff said:

Some one told me that Albert Hoffman's discovered lsd and that the lsd he synthesized back in the 60s is a different lsd then what's being synthesized today. Is that true?

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no. techniques have changed but the end product is the same.

Radicall-Lysergic said:

Dark_Star said:

The only active LSD is LSD-25. It's called 25 simply cause its the 25th chem in that family that Albert worked with. Purity doesn't play a role in how you feel at normal doses. You will find the same distribution, of the same side effects with the studies done with Sandoz...all the same purity, as you'll find with the LSD of today. The purity of crystal affects the potency. If someone lays 100 mics of 70% pure crystal per dose it'll be around 70 mics of LSD per dose. If the crystal is 99% pure it'll be around 99 mics per dose. This affects the experience regarding potency, not an increase in side effects. However, if you eat a higher dose, you may be more apt to experience side effects. I've fed some folks the highest quality LSD out there, purity of crystal & dosage wise, and some have sworn it was an RC, cause the trip was rough. in reality, they were just used to weak L, and had taken a multiplied dose much higher than they ever had before, and were not prepared. If you want to know the purity of the LSD crystal on your blotter, you'll have to send a sample into a lab to be assessed professionally. That's the only way. Unless you happen to have a GC/MS sitting around....

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Thanks. Very informative... I'm really on the fence about wether purity makes a difference.  I have just have Lucy before that felt so clean and euphoric with amazing clear flowing visuals that it put me in a state of ecstasy and hardly felt any body load. Part of me thinks these cleaner feeling trips r just due to a great set and setting with good vibes and energy but still half of me wants to believe there is purer cleaner acid that effect the trip IMO .

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unless there appears some information we didn't know before u should trust the first part of you.

set & setting as well as dose plays a huge factor in the experience mentally and physically. for example if ur outside tripping in the snow and ice, ur more likely to feel vasoconstriction (the pins & needles feeling) since ur body is going to be reacting to the cold and the LSD. if u go inside to a normal temperature house this could decline.

depending on ur stomach contents u may feel more gastrointestinal effects than other times since LSD is known to affect this as well.

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