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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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If you owned a business, I doubt you'd think it was right for someone else to tell you what you can charge. If it wouldn't feel right for someone else to control aspects of your business, it's not right that they control someone elses.

As I said earlier, I suspect you're a tenant.

You're sounding quite a bit like those that while stating they'd never steal from friends or family, are OK with stealing from Walmart or Kmart.

Because they deserve it. Right?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
You're sounding quite a bit like those that while stating they'd never steal from friends or family, are OK with stealing from Walmart or Kmart.

Because they deserve it. Right?


Nice straw man. You're better than this, sad to see you stoop so low.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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All this talk about fair is really funny. "Oh it's not fair that I don't have complete lordship over my own property!" Do we live in a fair world now? You don't even have lordship over your own body. People with no kids pay school taxes, people who get arrested all the time pay taxes that go to the police, anti-war people pay taxes that go to bombs and machine guns. If you want to sacrifice for the sake of others, then welcome to society, If you're looking for fair, then go play a fucking board game.

Why should you have the right to jack up the rent on someone when I can't even grow weed in my yard? It sounds like fair is defined by this crowd as whatever benefits the rich.

Fair is defined as = in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.

so yeah the government telling you what to do with your property is by definition fair. If you are selling tiny bags of amphetamine salts and the government cooks your baby alive with a grenade, that's fair. If you get 25 years for two brf cakes, because any amount constitutes "operating a drug laboratory", that's fair. But yeah the landlords are the ones really suffering from the inherent give and take of society, they're the ones I feel bad for. Maybe I'll go have a nice cry. You know, for the landlords.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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psi said:
luvdemshrooms said:
You're sounding quite a bit like those that while stating they'd never steal from friends or family, are OK with stealing from Walmart or Kmart.

Because they deserve it. Right?


Nice straw man. You're better than this, sad to see you stoop so low.


No straw man.

Situational ethics appall me. You're a renter, right?

Right is right. Wrong is wrong, even when you personally benefit from them.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
All this talk about fair is really funny. "Oh it's not fair that I don't have complete lordship over my own property!" Do we live in a fair world now? You don't even have lordship over your own body. People with no kids pay school taxes, people who get arrested all the time pay taxes that go to the police, anti-war people pay taxes that go to bombs and machine guns. If you want to sacrifice for the sake of others, then welcome to society, If you're looking for fair, then go play a fucking board game.

Why should you have the right to jack up the rent on someone when I can't even grow weed in my yard? It sounds like fair is defined by this crowd as whatever benefits the rich.

Fair is defined as = in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.

so yeah the government telling you what to do with your property is by definition fair. If you are selling tiny bags of amphetamine salts and the government cooks your baby alive with a grenade, that's fair. If you get 25 years for two brf cakes, because any amount constitutes "operating a drug laboratory", that's fair. But yeah the landlords are the ones really suffering from the inherent give and take of society, they're the ones I feel bad for. Maybe I'll go have a nice cry. You know, for the landlords.


Your post is nonsense obviously the drug war is wrong that is not what is being debated in this thread. It is obvious that you are not a property owner and so to you the concept of PRIVATE property seems confusing. If the rent is to high move there are a myriad of landlords who rent out cheaper property.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
luvdemshrooms said:
You're sounding quite a bit like those that while stating they'd never steal from friends or family, are OK with stealing from Walmart or Kmart.

Because they deserve it. Right?


Nice straw man. You're better than this, sad to see you stoop so low.


No straw man.

Situational ethics appall me. You're a renter, right?

Right is right. Wrong is wrong, even when you personally benefit from them.


Yes, I am a renter. And that was a blatant straw man. You disagree with me about the morality of some business regulation? You sound like one of those people who thinks the Holocaust and child molestation are perfectly acceptable. See how silly that sounded?

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better worse than no ethics at all.

You know the guy with no ethics will fuck you so you always keep your eye on him.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (06/01/14 01:22 PM)

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better than no ethics at all.


I'm an owner and I'm still in favor of giving tenants a chance.

You can't always be 100% selfish on everything all the time.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better than no ethics at all.


I'm an owner and I'm still in favor of giving tenants a chance.

You can't always be 100% selfish on everything all the time.


I treat my tenants quite well. All but one have been in my places for years. That's also quite beside the point.

I am the one responsible. I get to decide the rent. That's how it should be. I can't just get up one day and decide to stick it to people because I'd wind up with no tenants.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better than no ethics at all.


I'm an owner and I'm still in favor of giving tenants a chance.

You can't always be 100% selfish on everything all the time.


Who is more selfish?


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Patlal said:
luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better than no ethics at all.


I'm an owner and I'm still in favor of giving tenants a chance.

You can't always be 100% selfish on everything all the time.


I treat my tenants quite well. All but one have been in my places for years. That's also quite beside the point.

I am the one responsible. I get to decide the rent. That's how it should be. I can't just get up one day and decide to stick it to people because I'd wind up with no tenants.


I decide the rent. But when the guy still lives there and is a good tenant, I wouldn't suddenly raise the rent on him (I legally can't, but still). Its a dick move.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Who is more selfish?


I'll answer for them since I doubt they'd admit it.

The guy who wants to stick his hand into the pockets of others is the more selfish. By far.

It's a fucked up world when people think that way.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
I decide the rent.


Not if you have rent controls.


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But when the guy still lives there and is a good tenant, I wouldn't suddenly raise the rent on him (I legally can't, but still). Its a dick move.


You don't know the reason for the increase or even that the guy is a good tenant. Again, besides the point.

No-one other than the landlord/owner should ever be able to decide what the landlord/owner charges.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Patlal said:
I decide the rent.


Not if you have rent controls.


Quote:
But when the guy still lives there and is a good tenant, I wouldn't suddenly raise the rent on him (I legally can't, but still). Its a dick move.


You don't know the reason for the increase or even that the guy is a good tenant. Again, besides the point.

No-one other than the landlord/owner should ever be able to decide what the landlord/owner charges.


Do you know how hard is is to discuss with someone that claims that absolutely everything we say is beside the point? Where is the fucking point then? Can you give me a goddamm clue... What is it you want to hear? Crush people for your own gain? Think only of yourself?
What?


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Quote:
Crush people for your own gain? Think only of yourself?


I've suggested neither of those things. Nor have I suggested everything you say is beside the point.

The OP's situation, when discussing rent controls and YOUR ability to control YOUR rents, is beside the point.

The point, as I've repeatedly stated, is exactly that. Your ability to control your rents. Some jackass you'll never know and who's not in your place, has no business telling you what you may charge.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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I got an idea.  You stay in Canada and keep disavowing and surrendering your property rights and luvdem and I will stay in America and try to get all of ours back.

Whether to keep a tenant or not should be a decision based solely on your business.  Not some stupid lying bureaucrat's.  Do you know why there is a shortage of housing and exorbitant rents in NYC?  Because a large part of the housing stock is rent controlled.  It deflates investment and causes market rate rents to increase.  Meanwhile we have shitbags like Charlie Rangel using 3 rent controlled apartments.  Rent control is a corrupt perversion of the market.

Did you pay your taxes yet?


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I got an idea.  You stay in Canada and keep disavowing and surrendering your property rights and luvdem and I will stay in America and try to get all of ours back.

Whether to keep a tenant or not should be a decision based solely on your business.  Not some stupid lying bureaucrat's.  Do you know why there is a shortage of housing and exorbitant rents in NYC?  Because a large part of the housing stock is rent controlled.  It deflates investment and causes market rate rents to increase.  Meanwhile we have shitbags like Charlie Rangel using 3 rent controlled apartments.  Rent control is a corrupt perversion of the market.

Did you pay your taxes yet?



rent control leads to slum lording, when the owner cant afford to pay for
upkeep on the property he has no choice but to allow it to degrade


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
I got an idea.  You stay in Canada and keep disavowing and surrendering your property rights and luvdem and I will stay in America and try to get all of ours back.

Whether to keep a tenant or not should be a decision based solely on your business.  Not some stupid lying bureaucrat's.  Do you know why there is a shortage of housing and exorbitant rents in NYC?  Because a large part of the housing stock is rent controlled.  It deflates investment and causes market rate rents to increase.  Meanwhile we have shitbags like Charlie Rangel using 3 rent controlled apartments.  Rent control is a corrupt perversion of the market.

Did you pay your taxes yet?



rent control leads to slum lording, when the owner cant afford to pay for
upkeep on the property he has no choice but to allow it to degrade


or sell it or is that even allowed for a "rental" property?  can they designate it "rental only"?

the best part is all these joker HUD tenants who are screwed now BECAUSE the stupid government specifies maximum Section 8 rents that are lower than the market by hundreds of dollars now.  how well did that "help" the "needy" single moms with four kids?


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
psi said:
Yes, I am a renter.


And there it is.

Situational ethics. They're only sightly better worse than no ethics at all.

You know the guy with no ethics will fuck you so you always keep your eye on him.


Complete and utter bullshit. What have I said to indicate I would believe this regulation was immoral if I were a landlord? I might conceivably be more likely to oppose it out of personal interest, but that doesn't mean I would change my stance that it does not constitute a moral wrong.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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The taking of personal property is immoral.  Interfering with a property owner's right to sell access to his personal property is immoral.  Statists are immoral scumbags who want to assert control over others.  Rent controlled tenants are greedy scumbags.


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