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Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! * 1
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Just Getting By? Income Dependence on Minimum Wage Jobs

Dr. Bradley R. Schiller-University of Nevada, Reno • Published on March 08, 2011

Increases in the minimum wage remain popular with legislators and the public in part due to misconceptions about who earns the minimum. The most popular and seemingly persuasive argument
for minimum wage hikes is that adult minimum wage workers can’t afford to maintain their families at those wage levels.

Census Bureau data confirm that approximately 40 percent of the beneficiaries of the most recent federal minimum wage increase in 2009 were teens or others living with a parent or relative. This means many minimum wage earners are young adults just getting started in their career, and they’re at a time in their life when an entry wage best matches their skill set.

But what about adults who earn the minimum wage; do they fit the picture of the impoverished parent that’s just scraping by? New research from Bradley R. Schiller—a professor emeritus at American University, and now a professor of economics at the University of Nevada-Reno—sheds light on this important question. Using data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY), Schiller looks at the employment and family income of minimum wage workers between the ages of 33 and 50, in the years between 1998 and 2006 when the federal minimum wage was unchanged at $5.15 an hour.

The evidence presented in this paper largely refutes the conventional wisdom about adult minimum wage workers: Schiller finds that in 94 percent of families with adults who work a job that pays at or below the minimum wage, the spouse works as well. In about 8 out of 10 of those families where children are present, the minimum wage job accounts for less than twenty percent of their household income. In other words, the majority of adult minimum wage earners are providing a small supplement to the income of a higher-earning spouse.

Other data in this study make this point explicitly. For instance, Schiller looked at adults with children who earned less than $10,000 each year from their job. He found that:

•Nearly half of these low wage, low income workers had a spouse that earned more than $40,000 a year;

•Another 16 percent had spouses earning between $30,000 and $40,000 a year;

•And 12 percent had spouses earning between $20,000 and $30,000 each year.

Though these figures change somewhat when looking at adults that aren’t supporting children, they still depart from the conventional wisdom: Approximately 3 out of every 4 of these adults earn 30 percent or less of their total household income from a job that pays at or below the minimum wage.

Schiller’s study shows that only a small minority of adults age 33 to 50 who earn at or below the minimum wage are the primary (or sole) breadwinner in their household. Previous research has shown that long-term minimum wage earners (while an enormously small portion of the population) often lack basic job skills needed to move up in the workforce. Paradoxically, raising the minimum wage in an attempt to help this small subset of minimum wage workers can actually harm them; decades of economic research show that artificially raising the cost to hire and train these employees makes it likely that management will hire a more-skilled employee to do their job (or replace that job with an automated, self-service alternative).

Fortunately, there are better policy options to help this small subset. Schiller finds that very few adults are “stuck” at minimum wage jobs; while approximately a quarter of the adults in the survey at one point earned at or below the minimum wage during the eight year period, roughly 95 percent of the adults survey also earned considerably more than the minimum at some point in that same period. This is consistent with earlier research that shows that a majority of minimum wage employees earn a raise within 1 to 12 months on the job. Public policies that promote employment and increase income (like the Earned Income Tax Credit) ensure that less-skilled employees are able to get the experience needed to earn that raise.

–Employment Policies Institute

It seems to me that the vast majority of minimum wage earners are not in fact supporting families which begs to question why are the liberals so adamant about increasing it and hurting small business?


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 3
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They need to raise the minimum wage to more than $10 because you cant pay to live indoors and buy food with $400 a week before taxes in most cities in this country.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 2
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The US minimum wage affords one more resources than the majority of humanity.  Even more troubling, the US minimum wage affords one more resources than the earth can support! (on average of course)  That means that for every US worker that you prop up with a high minimum wage you will have a family of four somewhere out there surviving on far less.

The US minimum wage is environmentally unsustainable.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph] * 1
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Murph said:
They need to raise the minimum wage to more than $10 because you cant pay to live indoors and buy food with $400 a week before taxes in most cities in this country.



Yes you can.  Its easy.  You cant have a bachelor pad all to yourself, but then that has never really been the case has it?

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph] * 1
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Generally when living in a large city it is advisable to have roommates no one has a right to a two bedroom apartment while working the lowest and easiest jobs available. That is an insult to skilled workers.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: DieCommie]
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bullshit.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 2
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Generally when living in a large city it is advisable to have roommates no one has a right to a two bedroom apartment while working the lowest and easiest jobs available. That is an insult to skilled workers.



double bullshit.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph] * 1
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Murph said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
Generally when living in a large city it is advisable to have roommates no one has a right to a two bedroom apartment while working the lowest and easiest jobs available. That is an insult to skilled workers.



double bullshit.



Not at all share a studio with someone or improve your skills and get a better job. There is lots of opportunity out there.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
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No we should just raise the minimum wage. How exactly is a person working 40-60 hours a week with no money for saving supposed to acquire these skills and the training to get a job as a skilled worker? Why are skilled workers entitled to more money when it's at the expense of so many others?

Edited by Murph (01/22/14 12:14 PM)

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph] * 1
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:facepalm:


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph]
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Murph said:
No we should just raise the minimum wage.



At who's expense?  Though wealth can be created infinitely, resources are finite and there is a finite amount in the world.

If you raise the minimum wage you are doing so that minimum wage workers can consume more resources right?  Somebody in the world has to consume less then.  Who is it going to be?  What poor person in Africa or Asia has to endure real poverty so that you don't have to be inconvenienced with a roommate?


http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2012-10/daily-infographic-if-everyone-lived-american-how-many-earths-would-we-need

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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One person doesn't need a two room apartment, no matter what their job is or how much money they have.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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KremrBigSikter said:
One person doesn't need a two room apartment, no matter what their job is or how much money they have.



I disagree if they can afford it why not


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 2
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It came from a nonprofit institute so it must have merit.

Go to their website to read all about how increasing minimum wage and enacting paid sick leave (in pretty much the only country where it doesn't exist yet) would destroy the jobs market(read: hinder corporate profits).

This article is total bs. Less than half of minimum wage earners are young people, who we're told deserve a low wage. As for the other 60%, well they're married so it's all good.

If you're an adult and you don't like your minimum wage job, just marry up!


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: DieCommie]
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Extreme poverty in America is the same as poverty in Asia, when you cant live indoors or buy food..... doesn't matter whose face is on the money.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
It came from a nonprofit institute so it must have merit.

Go to their website to read all about how increasing minimum wage and enacting paid sick leave (in pretty much the only country where it doesn't exist yet) would destroy the jobs market(read: hinder corporate profits).

This article is total bs. Less than half of minimum wage earners are young people, who we're told deserve a low wage. As for the other 60%, well they're married so it's all good.

If you're an adult and you don't like your minimum wage job, just marry up!



Or live with someone and increase your income its pretty simple


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 2
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Gilgamesh18 said:
KremrBigSikter said:
One person doesn't need a two room apartment, no matter what their job is or how much money they have.



I disagree if they can afford it why not



Why does being able to afford something mean that you need it? As if higher paid people have higher basic needs than proles.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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The article also conveniently refuses to address the people who have dropped out of the workforce due to only minimum wage/part time openings.

Inflation goes up, productivity goes up, corporate profits go up, and wages are supposed to stay the same. Why? "Well because it's not THAT bad."


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Murph] * 1
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Murph said:
Extreme poverty in America is the same as poverty in Asia, when you cant live indoors or buy food..... doesn't matter whose face is on the money.



No its not.  There is free food for anybody who wants it in every medium to large city in the US.  You lack perspective.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: DieCommie]
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No eating other peoples garbage and begging does not count as food. I get the feeling you've never paid your rent and then had no money to eat.

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