ghooru said:

BeefheartisBetter said:

lar20 said:

I absolutely love graffiti. In my opinion it's some of the best art in the world

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^^^^

It's hard to find art where money isn't a motive, and that's what makes graffiti
so great in my opinion.

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actually some graffiti artists make bank as muralists, and make their name thru illegally tagging.  its pretty much like anything else, all art has some sort of street-spirit to it but graffiti is just very closely tied with the streets.  and yeah usually graffiti artists dont expect to get paid from that

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I have two masks that were made by a local artist here in Portland. I
I see his stuff on walls a lot. Mostly now he gets paid to do it like you say. The only art I have spent what I consider to be a lot of money on.

Still love them. His name is Klutch. here is his site.

The masks I bought from him are made from skateboards. Its a style of
form line art.

ghooru said:

I did it on a busy street, a cop car even went by me lol.  I tagged an alien face on five concrete pillars in a row the first time I went out and graffiti'd 

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imachavel said:

ghooru said:

I did it on a busy street, a cop car even went by me lol.  I tagged an alien face on five concrete pillars in a row the first time I went out and graffiti'd 

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what is your crews tag? I knew a few down here, dtk was one. But the time I knew dtk was YEARS ago I have NO idea what they do now. They're life was tagging walls so I assume they still do that. I wouldn't have a clue to be honest.

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SoreSpore said:

Recent graffiti I saw at the State Fair while pooping in the stall. It is unbelievable when you begin to the think about the maturity of society as a whole.



For this purpose alone, I cannot stand up for graffiti of any kind unless it is explicitly allowed. It does not matter if it is a masterpiece if the property owner unknowing of the situation. Vandalism is petty and childish.

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lar20 said:

Most real graffiti artists refuse to paint on locally owned buisness' and things like that so i see nothing wrong with it.

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SoreSpore said:

lar20 said:

Most real graffiti artists refuse to paint on locally owned buisness' and things like that so i see nothing wrong with it.

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The problem is that some inconsiderate fuckwit is drawing on someone's shit and they don't want it there. That isn't cool, can I come write on the shit in your house? What about your parents house?

But it's art, man.

No, it's fucking unwanted deliberate defacement of someone's property.

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lar20 said:

Legit artists dont write on houses or whatever they write on public buildings not owned by a resident there.

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SoreSpore said:

lar20 said:

Legit artists dont write on houses or whatever they write on public buildings not owned by a resident there.

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Right...

I am saying that ALL defacement of property, private or public, is vandalism. There is no case in which I would support somebody forcing something upon another without mutual consent.

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SoreSpore said:

You are completely right, but to be frank, it makes me think a little bit less of you knowing that you support this. It is a travesty that certain people are in support of outright disrespect for things others have paid money for, whether it be through direct financing or indirectly from funding through taxes. It isn't like painting or drawing is illegal, they still have all the opportunity to do so in the comfort of their own home. It isn't necessary to cloud a neighborhood with graffiti which lowers property values instantaneously. The point is that someone paid for these things, and NOW someone is responsible for cleaning them up (which costs more money) because some brainless shit bird feels the needs to color on things that are not their own. Your opinion would change if your car or house was drawn on, I guarantee it.

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SoreSpore said:

You are completely right, but to be frank, it makes me think a little bit less of you knowing that you support this. It is a travesty that certain people are in support of outright disrespect for things others have paid money for, whether it be through direct financing or indirectly from funding through taxes. It isn't like painting or drawing is illegal, they still have all the opportunity to do so in the comfort of their own home. It isn't necessary to cloud a neighborhood with graffiti which lowers property values instantaneously. The point is that someone paid for these things, and NOW someone is responsible for cleaning them up (which costs more money) because some brainless shit bird feels the needs to color on things that are not their own. Your opinion would change if your car or house was drawn on, I guarantee it.

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lighten up man, graffiti is an inherent part of modern urban culture

lar20 said:

The whole point of graffiti is to express yourself and show it to the world. Doing it in your own home would defeat the purpose. And I can live with you thinking less of me.

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The whole point of art is to express yourself and people have been doing it for 4,000 years without the need to deface others property up until recently. Give me a break, what an awful paradigm you are trying to create to justify art in general. They can't express themselves by using a canvas like any other artist? Making art is impossible without breaking the laws for these people. Your logic and point you are arguing on is invalid, you are trying to justify people obstructing other persons pursuit to happiness because it is the only way for them to express themselves...

SoreSpore said:

lar20 said:

The whole point of graffiti is to express yourself and show it to the world. Doing it in your own home would defeat the purpose. And I can live with you thinking less of me.

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The whole point of art is to express yourself and people have been doing it for 4,000 years without the need to deface others property up until recently. Give me a break, what an awful paradigm you are trying to create to justify art in general. They can't express themselves by using a canvas like any other artist? Making art is impossible without breaking the laws for these people. Your logic and point you are arguing on is invalid, you are trying to justify people obstructing other persons pursuit to happiness because it is the only way for them to express themselves...

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ghooru said:

lighten up man, graffiti is an inherent part of modern urban culture

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There is no case in which I would support somebody forcing something upon another without mutual consent.

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