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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
bryguy said:
I didn't dodge anything. I think I've made a pretty good case in this thread already about how the rules are arbitrary.


No. You really haven't.


Then please enlighten me with an objective definition covering all of these products and I will say they're not arbitrary.
:strokebeard:
Maybe the legislators would hire you as one of their lawyers if you could actually accomplish this.
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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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We aren't have a logical debate. That is the thing. You're making an argument, and I think most people here are calling you dense and illogical.

But keep on thinking you're making a super awesome case. Good for you.. take it to the courts :laugh2:

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
somehow he thinks everyone but him is too stupid to realize what spice is used
for and that he's going to actually convince someone that it's really an
herbal incense that no one smokes to get high



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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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bryguy said:
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So what are the terms of your probation?


I don't have every single one memorized offhand but I know for a fact that "intoxication" or ANY references to inducing subjective mind states are not even mentioned once.
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EDIT: And you pissed dirty which is how they caught you using spice, right?


Yes, but the way the test work is that they only test for the metabolites and not the chemicals themselves. And, the metabolites in the banned chems are identical to the metabolites in the unscheduled ones.
:bigyesnod:


So why would they be drug testing you if no intoxication isn't one of the terms of your probation?


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: Humility]
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Humility said:
If it's a non-violent offense, then fuck probation and fuck everyone telling you to do what you're told or risk being called "dumb" or "deserving" of punishment.


What did the OP do that you dislike him so? Or do you just like to give shitty advice for the lulz?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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bryguy said:
Yes it does, it proves that the laws are too vague to allow them to enforce any of these "blanket bans"


you're subject to the rules of probation not just the law, somehow you keep disregarding that


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So what are the terms of your probation?


I don't have every single one memorized offhand but I know for a fact that "intoxication" or ANY references to inducing subjective mind states are not even mentioned once.



so you dont even know the terms and you're blasting us for it even though
probation terms are pretty much the same across the US, and an exact wording
isnt necessary because of the 'reasonable person' aspect of law


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Because the terms encompass certain well known, well defined illicit substances...like any prescription drugs not prescribed, I think they encompass most street drugs and of course alcohol...but no mention of anything as subjective as "intoxication" or any other direct reference to the mind state these well defined substances might produce.
Uzziel said:
We aren't have a logical debate. That is the thing. You're making an argument, and I think most people here are calling you dense and illogical.

But keep on thinking you're making a super awesome case. Good for you.. take it to the courts :laugh2:


Okay...so I'm being illogical? And you're the one claiming that rules can be written before the words/terms in those rules are actually adequately defined? Cool story bro.:thumbup:
luvdemshrooms said:
Prisoner#1 said:
somehow he thinks everyone but him is too stupid to realize what spice is used
for and that he's going to actually convince someone that it's really an
herbal incense that no one smokes to get high



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Then please enlighten me with an objective definition covering all of these products


:rolleyes:


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Can someone just ban this guy already?  I'm tired of seeing this thread show up.


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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so you dont even know the terms and you're blasting us for it even though
probation terms are pretty much the same across the US, and an exact wording
isnt necessary because of the 'reasonable person' aspect of law


I know that intoxication isn't mentioned.
:awethumb:


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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bryguy said:
Quote:
so you dont even know the terms and you're blasting us for it even though
probation terms are pretty much the same across the US, and an exact wording
isnt necessary because of the 'reasonable person' aspect of law


I know that intoxication isn't mentioned.
:awethumb:


Since you're so smart, please explain how spice is NOT a "marijuana-like" alternative to marijuana.


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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bryguy said:
luvdemshrooms said:
bryguy said:
I didn't dodge anything. I think I've made a pretty good case in this thread already about how the rules are arbitrary.


No. You really haven't.


Then please enlighten me with an objective definition covering all of these products and I will say they're not arbitrary.
:strokebeard:
Maybe the legislators would hire you as one of their lawyers if you could actually accomplish this.
:thumbup:


I haven't tried to provide one. In the meanst, I eagerly await your "they violated me" thread. You know, the one where you whine like a stuck pig, right before you toodle off to jail.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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Can someone just ban this guy already?  I'm tired of seeing this thread show up.


Listen...if you can create an objective, all-encompassing and legally enforceable definition for "spice," then I will admit my argument was flawed and accept like a 1 month ban. Cool?
:whatyougonnado:


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: All We Perceive]
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All We Perceive said:
Since you're so smart, please explain how spice is NOT a "marijuana-like" alternative to marijuana.


Every single person who has read this thread wants to know this. Please OP, elaborate.

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: Everlong]
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Everlong said:
bryguy said:
Quote:
So what are the terms of your probation?


I don't have every single one memorized offhand but I know for a fact that "intoxication" or ANY references to inducing subjective mind states are not even mentioned once.
Quote:
EDIT: And you pissed dirty which is how they caught you using spice, right?


Yes, but the way the test work is that they only test for the metabolites and not the chemicals themselves. And, the metabolites in the banned chems are identical to the metabolites in the unscheduled ones.
:bigyesnod:


So why would they be drug testing you if no intoxication isn't one of the terms of your probation?



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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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I haven't tried to provide one. In the meanst, I eagerly await your "they violated me" thread. You know, the one where you whine like a stuck pig, right before you toodle off to jail.


Cool story bro, but like I said I would gladly spend time in jail if it meant there was even the slightest chance that I can cause them to revamp their arbitrary, fucked up rules. I think being thrown in jail for possessing chamomile would be a good start to this.
:thumbup:


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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But it won't. Because they don't give a fuck about the points you are trying (and failing) to make.

You seem quite angry, and that'll fuck you for sure.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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Quote:
So why would they be drug testing you if no intoxication isn't one of the terms of your probation?


I already answered that but I just didn't quote you because I think I answered it right under your post so I didn't think it would be necessary. Scroll up.
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Every single person who has read this thread wants to know this. Please OP, elaborate.


Now everyone is just going in circles. The fact is that they haven't been able to objectively define "spice" and you can't make claims about what something really is before you have adequately defined it in the first place. If "marijuana-like" was an objective enough term then we would have federal blanket bans by now.


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Edited by bryguy (09/05/12 05:44 PM)

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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bryguy said:
The fact is that they haven't been able to objectively define "spice"


They (probation) don't have to.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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But it won't. Because they don't give a fuck about the points you are trying (and failing) to make.

You seem quite angry, and that'll fuck you for sure.


lol I'm not angry at all...why would I be super pissed about 2 days of community service?

And you are wrong...the judge in this case was about 1000% more receptive to the arguments I am making than most of the people in this thread.
:bigyesnod:


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Re: Probation and arbitrary rules about "spice" [Re: bryguy]
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I did not read the monumental posts in this thread, and I'm only stopping in to say a few things.
I'm on probation in NJ - on the contract I signed before my first time pissing in a cup, I agreed to not do xxxx drugs, etc. AS WELL AS SPICE, SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA OR SYNTHETIC THC BLENDS.
Mine was right in the contract. Now I know for a fact they don't test for it here, but still. It was in the contract.
Also don't know about by you, but if you're found in possession of spice in NJ, on probation, even though it's legal, you violate probation.


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