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bloomberg to ban sugary drinks
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to combat obesity.

jesus fucking christ..

cant people choose what they want to put in their bodies.

god damn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/nyregion/bloomberg-plans-a-ban-on-large-sugared-drinks.html?pagewanted=all

New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity.
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The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March.

The measure would not apply to diet sodas, fruit juices, dairy-based drinks like milkshakes, or alcoholic beverages; it would not extend to beverages sold in grocery stores or convenience stores.

“Obesity is a nationwide problem, and all over the United States, public health officials are wringing their hands saying, ‘Oh, this is terrible,’ ” Mr. Bloomberg said in an interview on Wednesday in City Hall’s sprawling Governor’s Room.

“New York City is not about wringing your hands; it’s about doing something,” he said. “I think that’s what the public wants the mayor to do.”

A spokesman for the New York City Beverage Association, an arm of the soda industry’s national trade group, criticized the city’s proposal on Wednesday. The industry has clashed repeatedly with the city’s health department, saying it has unfairly singled out soda; industry groups have bought subway advertisements promoting their cause.

“The New York City health department’s unhealthy obsession with attacking soft drinks is again pushing them over the top,” the industry spokesman, Stefan Friedman, said. “It’s time for serious health professionals to move on and seek solutions that are going to actually curb obesity. These zealous proposals just distract from the hard work that needs to be done on this front.”

Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal requires the approval of the Board of Health, a step that is considered likely because the members are all appointed by him, and the board’s chairman is the city’s health commissioner, who joined the mayor in supporting the measure on Wednesday.

Mr. Bloomberg has made public health one of the top priorities of his lengthy tenure, and has championed a series of aggressive regulations, including bans on smoking in restaurants and parks, a prohibition against artificial trans fat in restaurant food and a requirement for health inspection grades to be posted in restaurant windows.

The measures have led to occasional derision of the mayor as Nanny Bloomberg, by those who view the restrictions as infringements on personal freedom. But many of the measures adopted in New York have become models for other cities, including restrictions on smoking and trans fats, as well as the use of graphic advertising to combat smoking and soda consumption, and the demand that chain restaurants post calorie contents next to prices.

In recent years, soda has emerged as a battleground in efforts to counter obesity. Across the nation, some school districts have banned the sale of soda in schools, and some cities have banned the sale of soda in public buildings.

In New York City, where more than half of adults are obese or overweight, Dr. Thomas Farley, the health commissioner, blames sweetened drinks for up to half of the increase in city obesity rates over the last 30 years. About a third of New Yorkers drink one or more sugary drinks a day, according to the city. Dr. Farley said the city had seen higher obesity rates in neighborhoods where soda consumption was more common.

The ban would not apply to drinks with fewer than 25 calories per 8-ounce serving, like zero-calorie Vitamin Waters and unsweetened iced teas, as well as diet sodas.

Restaurants, delis, movie theater and ballpark concessions would be affected, because they are regulated by the health department. Carts on sidewalks and in Central Park would also be included, but not vending machines or newsstands that serve only a smattering of fresh food items.

At fast-food chains, where sodas are often dispersed at self-serve fountains, restaurants would be required to hand out cup sizes of 16 ounces or less, regardless of whether a customer opts for a diet drink. But free refills — and additional drink purchases — would be allowed.

Corner stores and bodegas would be affected if they are defined by the city as “food service establishments.” Those stores can most easily be identified by the health department letter grades they are required to display in their windows.

The mayor, who said he occasionally drank a diet soda “on a hot day,” contested the idea that the plan would limit consumers’ choices, saying the option to buy more soda would always be available.

“Your argument, I guess, could be that it’s a little less convenient to have to carry two 16-ounce drinks to your seat in the movie theater rather than one 32 ounce,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a sarcastic tone. “I don’t think you can make the case that we’re taking things away.”

He also said he foresaw no adverse effect on local businesses, and he suggested that restaurants could simply charge more for smaller drinks if their sales were to drop.

The Bloomberg administration had made previous, unsuccessful efforts to make soda consumption less appealing. The mayor supported a state tax on sodas, but the measure died in Albany, and he tried to restrict the use of food stamps to buy sodas, but the idea was rejected by federal regulators.

With the new proposal, City Hall is now trying to see how much it can accomplish without requiring outside approval. Mayoral aides say they are confident that they have the legal authority to restrict soda sales, based on the city’s jurisdiction over local eating establishments, the same oversight that allows for the health department’s letter-grade cleanliness rating system for restaurants.

In interviews at the AMC Loews Village, in the East Village in Manhattan, some filmgoers said restricting large soda sales made sense to them.

“I think it’s a good idea,” said Sara Gochenauer, 21, a personal assistant from the Upper West Side. Soda, she said, “rots your teeth.”

But others said consumers should be free to choose.

“If people want to drink 24 ounces, it’s their decision,” said Zara Atal, 20, a college student from the Upper East Side.

Lawrence Goins, 50, a postal worker who lives in Newark, took a more pragmatic approach.

“Some of those movies are three, three and a half hours long,” Mr. Goins said. “You got to quench your thirst.”


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: rackem]
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God thats retarded...Fuck this. I'm making my own country. If anyone wants to go halvies on an island with me hit me up.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: King Klick] * 2
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Boo hoo. 16 fluid ounces is like a pint (I googled it). Who orders more than a pint of soda at a restaurant? And either way, you could still get two, so ways the bug deal?


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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KremrBigSikter said:
Boo hoo. 16 fluid ounces is like a pint (I googled it). Who orders more than a pint of soda at a restaurant? And either way, you could still get two, so ways the bug deal?



The bug deal is i hate ants! Always ruining my picnics...It's not what it is, it's that they did something like it.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: rackem]
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Land of the Free! Sugar Free.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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KremrBigSikter said:
Boo hoo. 16 fluid ounces is like a pint (I googled it). Who orders more than a pint of soda at a restaurant? And either way, you could still get two, so ways the bug deal?



The big deal is the same big deal that is fucked up about prohibiting any substance. My body, my choices.

It would be silly to think this would pass, but disappointing if you don't see what this brings along with it.

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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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Anybody think this is kinda racist?


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Doc_T]
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Racist, why? :omgz:


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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KremrBigSikter said:
Boo hoo. 16 fluid ounces is like a pint (I googled it). Who orders more than a pint of soda at a restaurant? And either way, you could still get two, so ways the bug deal?



the big deal is that rights are generally taken in increments. so what will it be next? not to mention this is just silly and won't do jack shit for obesity anyways.

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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Racist, why? :omgz:



Law bans big sugary drinks, exempts alcoholic bevs, water, juice.

So a rich white guy like Bloomberg isn't affected- he's drinking wine or juice or bottled water.
And if he's still thirsty after one, he can afford to buy a second small one if he wants.
But the kids out on the stoop sipping their Macro Gulps... what race are they?

This is like banning menthol cigarettes but not regular flavor, or different sentences for crack cocaine vs powder.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Doc_T]
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Rich black guys arent affected either. Similarly, lower class white people are affected too.

The problem addressed is people drinking too much sugary crap and their health suffering because of it. If you decide you want to change things for the common interest, it would be wrong not to do it since the majority of the affected (apparently?) is black.

Drinking that high fructose corn syrup crap is a bad habit, on par with smoking. If you as an authority take the anti liberty stance of taking action against it, race should not matter.

Lets just say that blacks are overrepresented with sugary softdrink intake, they would benefit most from the measure. To roll back the measure because of race is a strange signal to send as its a health measure.

Personally I think it will backfire - many will replace softdrinks with beer.

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or different sentences for crack cocaine vs powder.



So if it was mostly white people its an OK measure?


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: rackem]
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Is obesity a big problem in NY City?  All that walking,  going up/down stairs at train stops...

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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Asante]
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Drinking that high fructose corn syrup crap is a bad habit, on par with smoking. If you as an authority take the anti liberty stance of taking action against it, race should not matter.



True, but again compare with banning menthol cigs but not regular flavor.
That would reduce smoking to an extent, and mostly among those hurt worst by it.
But it still would be a law with an uneven application due to race.

It does seem like people will switch beverages, I think caffeinated water will take off. :thumbup:


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Hemispheres]
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Hemispheres said:
KremrBigSikter said:
Boo hoo. 16 fluid ounces is like a pint (I googled it). Who orders more than a pint of soda at a restaurant? And either way, you could still get two, so ways the bug deal?



the big deal is that rights are generally taken in increments. so what will it be next? not to mention this is just silly and won't do jack shit for obesity anyways.



Yeah. First, they come for your Four Locos, then they come for your Exxxtreme Size Sodas, then what's next? Maybe (gasp!) they'll come for your Cholesterol-enhanced Burgers-with-fried-chicken-instead-of-bread! Damn you government!

Seriously though, I'm not a fan of prohibition of substances, but I can't see how this would change anyone's life at all.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Doc_T]
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True, but again compare with banning menthol cigs but not regular flavor.



Its not the same. All sugarbomb softdrinks are banned for everyone. Thats akin to a total cig ban regardless of flavor.


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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True, but again compare with banning menthol cigs but not regular flavor.



Its not the same. All sugarbomb softdrinks are banned for everyone. Thats akin to a total cig ban regardless of flavor.



Ok let me run what he's saying down for you. Let's say that some people smoke menthol and some smoke natural. They ban menthol and not natural.  Unfair to the menthol smokers. Now lets say some people like coke and some like diet. They ban coke in 20 oz bottles but not diet. Unfair to the coke drinkers. Right?


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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: King Klick]
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I know what he's saying, I just don't agree.

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Now lets say some people like coke and some like diet. They ban coke in 20 oz bottles but not diet. Unfair to the coke drinkers. Right?



No, because the 20oz coke drinkers arent getting 67.5gr HFCS sugars, detrimental to their health, and thus are better off.

The problem acted on is those sugary drinks.  Whoever drinks them casually, regardless of race, should change their dietary choice. Thats the point of this.

Does it affect the races disproportionally? Apparently yes. But the health problem affects the races disproportionally.

Racist would be prohibition of sale of softdrinks to white people, but not black people.


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Reason for deletion: retracted...sorry...



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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: King Klick]
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Dude, why should your opinion force others to change their ways? I hate people like you.



:facepalm:

I'm asking you to think along the lines of the legislators. I do not support the ban.

Didnt I just say:

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If you as an authority take the anti liberty stance of taking action against it, race should not matter. Personally I think it will backfire as many will opt for beer instead.




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Re: bloomberg to ban sugary drinks [Re: Asante]
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regardless of race, i think its fucked to say that they are going to tax sugary drinks because of obesity when the underlying fact is they want more money. to the tune of 7 million (i believe thats the number i heard)

so, now starbucks drinkers and all their sugary drinks are going to be taxed more now because of the additional sugar content?

all of this if it goes through, i think the feds have better things to do than that.. if a business is failing whats the first thing a company does? fire the management which is what we are looking at here.


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