simon418 said:

might be because I don't like soft rock, modern rock or w/e at all, but I don't hear the difference between them and the other bands of the same genre

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JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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This makes sense I guess.

I like the predictable grind voice, maybe he got to the gig a little to late

He did do a song with Santana in which in my opinion he fits perfectly.

Terillius said:

That phony bullshit makes my soul bleed.

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JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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Cj-B said:

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Horsewithnoname said:

JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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This makes sense I guess.

I like the predictable grind voice, maybe he got to the gig a little to late

He did do a song with Santana in which in my opinion he fits perfectly.

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JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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JacquesCousteau said:

Horsewithnoname said:

JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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This makes sense I guess.

I like the predictable grind voice, maybe he got to the gig a little to late

He did do a song with Santana in which in my opinion he fits perfectly.

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If you like his voice, there's really nothing more to say. Enjoy your Nickelback. To each their own. I can't stand it. Late to the party for sure.

To elaborate further, his voice is not just predictable and cliche, it is an energetic representation of everything that is wrong with western culture. It is self-destructive and suggests a lack of awareness innately.

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Don't judge me man.

Still, how much this can get to people in the way it gets to you just feels really odd to me.

Never mind though, I listen to whatever the hell it is I feel like listening. No limits, no prejudices.

To quote Dave Grohl (at least according to El Internet)"“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

Horsewithnoname said:

JacquesCousteau said:

Horsewithnoname said:

JacquesCousteau said:

I hate Nickelback because they have a generic and pretentious sound. The vocalist grinds on his voice in a way that is predictable and cliche. The songs are unoriginal rehashed "modern classic rock" bullshit by design.

They're "not that bad" from a technical point of view, I admit. But they are terrible from a cultural point of view, if that makes any sense. Being "not that bad" is not justification. That's like saying you don't mind eating ketchup on spaghetti. You could fucking do it, but it's just a bunch of generic crap. Why not make a decent meal?

They are the epitome of mediocre. The fact that they did not attempt to transcend that level of expression, but rather chose to capitalize off of the mediocre-minded, is the epitome of why they catch so much flak.

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This makes sense I guess.

I like the predictable grind voice, maybe he got to the gig a little to late

He did do a song with Santana in which in my opinion he fits perfectly.

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If you like his voice, there's really nothing more to say. Enjoy your Nickelback. To each their own. I can't stand it. Late to the party for sure.

To elaborate further, his voice is not just predictable and cliche, it is an energetic representation of everything that is wrong with western culture. It is self-destructive and suggests a lack of awareness innately.

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Don't judge me man.

Still, how much this can get to people in the way it gets to you just feels really odd to me.

Never mind though, I listen to whatever the hell it is I feel like listening. No limits, no prejudices.

To quote Dave Grohl (at least according to El Internet)"“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

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Quote:

“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

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JacquesCousteau said:

If you like his voice, there's really nothing more to say. Enjoy your Nickelback. To each their own. I can't stand it. Late to the party for sure.

To elaborate further, his voice is not just predictable and cliche, it is an energetic representation of everything that is wrong with western culture. It is self-destructive and suggests a lack of awareness innately.

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His singing and lyrics are not genuine. I do not require perfection, but this guy is simply not genuine. He sounds like he's trying to match up with what he conceives is what a popular person should sound like, based on what is popular on the radio.  But he is not the only one, there are bands like puddle of mudd, etc

It's just a total lack of trying to capture some essence of the human experience that is beyond the surface-level bullshit, for lack of a better explanation at the moment. It perpetuates a lower standard of artistry, and a lower standard of being

the bizzle said:

His singing and lyrics are not genuine. I do not require perfection, but this guy is simply not genuine. He sounds like he's trying to match up with what he conceives is what a popular person should sound like, based on what is popular on the radio.  But he is not the only one, there are bands like puddle of mudd, etc

It's just a total lack of trying to capture some essence of the human experience that is beyond the surface-level bullshit, for lack of a better explanation at the moment. It perpetuates a lower standard of artistry, and a lower standard of being

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JacquesCousteau said:

I didn't judge you. I simply said there's nothing more to say if you like his voice, which is true, because his voice is the very reason I can't stand the band. So we're obviously not going to see eye to eye. That's all I meant by that.

It doesn't get to me that much. You just asked a question, and I answered it bluntly and honestly. I don't go around looking for opportunities to hate on Nickelback. I just saw a thread and figured I'd offer my input.

I listen to all kinds of stuff that other people would probably berate me for. Fuck 'em. Like I said, TO EACH THEIR OWN. I just think the band you chose in this instance SUCKS.

I like some Lil Wayne songs. I catch flak for that all the time. I hate most of his shit, because it's fucking garbage. But he has a few gems.

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Horsewithnoname said:

Nah, chill. I didn't get offended or anything, your response came

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saintphotios said:

Quote:

“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

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Sure... everyone has the right to listen to Nickelback. But from an artistic point of view, they're garbage. In fact, aside from viewing them as individuals and focusing only on their existence as a group of musicians, everything about them is garbage. This isn't about subjective tastes. Art is supposed to reflect something about the culture in which it's produced. The only thing Nickelback reflects about our culture is that idiots really will pay money for just about anything.

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Horsewithnoname said:

saintphotios said:

Quote:

“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

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Sure... everyone has the right to listen to Nickelback. But from an artistic point of view, they're garbage. In fact, aside from viewing them as individuals and focusing only on their existence as a group of musicians, everything about them is garbage. This isn't about subjective tastes. Art is supposed to reflect something about the culture in which it's produced. The only thing Nickelback reflects about our culture is that idiots really will pay money for just about anything.

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But here you are limiting music just to artistic expression as some cultural critique or reflection and I believe music is much more than that. Music is about expression. Any and all kind of expression. Expression of anger, happiness, thrill, reflection, thoughts on culture, etc.

Dance poppish shitty music has a place in the sense that it makes drunk people feel good, sexy n shit. Which may be found enjoyable.

Heavy, dark, fast metal can make people feel empowered, filled with adrenaline, part of something bigger and powerful. Which may be found enjoyable.

And so on

And so in my opinion music doesn't HAVE to have deep meaning or cultural references. Different music aims for different emotions.

Nickelback seems to aim for cheap feel-good cliched stuff, but I don't think it deserves that much hate.

anyways thanks for the reply

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Horsewithnoname said:

saintphotios said:

Quote:

“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures, I believe you should be able to like what you like. If you like a fucking Kesha song, listen to fucking Kesha."

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Sure... everyone has the right to listen to Nickelback. But from an artistic point of view, they're garbage. In fact, aside from viewing them as individuals and focusing only on their existence as a group of musicians, everything about them is garbage. This isn't about subjective tastes. Art is supposed to reflect something about the culture in which it's produced. The only thing Nickelback reflects about our culture is that idiots really will pay money for just about anything.

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But here you are limiting music just to artistic expression as some cultural critique or reflection and I believe music is much more than that. Music is about expression. Any and all kind of expression. Expression of anger, happiness, thrill, reflection, thoughts on culture, etc.

Dance poppish shitty music has a place in the sense that it makes drunk people feel good, sexy n shit. Which may be found enjoyable.

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