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Lsd = dolphin communication
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Has anyone heard or read into this dude?

http://www.johnclilly.com/

Its hard to navigate his page but from what I gathered, he tried to reprogram his brain with lsd so that he could communicate with dolphins???? :hmm:

It sounds so bizzare and all my friends have been so dismissive but who's to say he didn't?

"One time, I went out to sea in the Virgin Islands and took some LSD. We went alongside a female whale with a calf. She turned up and looked at me with her one eye and zapped me for twenty minutes. There was so much information that I can't possibly remember. I learned earlier that what you do is store it, and if it's pertinent then you will remember it"

Do you think he's nuts or maybe there was something more to it?



My biggest question is why did he chose this niche goal?

Edited by mrckb (03/10/12 07:47 AM)

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: mrckb] * 1
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Insanity speaks to us all in different ways. Some people want to rule the world with a child army, others want to talk to dolphins.

Me?

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: DNKYD]
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You can feel like you can do anything with LSD. The subconscious could get in tune with the body language of the dolphin and why it does what it does to discover the "language", then discover how the dolphin reacts to what you do with your own body language. The subconscious is known to pick up on subtle hints and to transform those into "gut" feelings of which tend to be accurate but from an undefined source in our perception. In this way the illusion of telepathy while on psyches could be possible to correlate with actual communication, provided there is a physiological reaction to a dolphins thoughts.

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: mrckb]
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For some reason OP, you post title evoked the mental image of some tie-dyed shirt wearing hippy, dropping liquid LSD in to dolphin's blowhole with a massive shit eating grin on his face.


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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Dawks]
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I don't even know what to say about this.  Conniving dolphin manipulated the human female living with him into giving him handjobs...but the study only lost credibility AFTER they started involving LSD to try to make the dolphin speak English???!?...I know this is kind of a McDonald's version but it raises so many questions for me personally.

From "4 Bizarre Experiments That Should Never Be Repeated"
http://www.worldsstrangest.com/mental-floss/4-bizarre-experiments-that-should-never-be-repeated/

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Perhaps the most troubling experiment in recent history is the dolphin-intelligence study conducted by neuroscientist John C. Lilly in 1958. While working at the Communication Research Institute, a state-of-the-art laboratory in the Virgin Islands, Lilly wanted to find out if dolphins could talk to people. At the time, the dominant theory of human language development posited that children learn to talk through constant, close contact with their mothers. So, Lilly tried to apply the same idea to dolphins.

For 10 weeks in 1965, Lilly’s young, female research associate, Margaret Howe, live with a dolphin named Peter. The two shared a partially flooded, two-room house. The water was just shallow enough for Margaret to wade through the rooms and just deep enough for Peter to swim. Margaret and Peter were constantly interacting with each other, eating, sleeping, working, and playing together. Margaret slept on a bed soaked in saltwater and worked on a floating desk, so that her dolphin roommate could interrupt her whenever he wanted. She also spent hours playing ball with Peter, encouraging his more “humanoid” noises and trying to teach him simple words.

As time passed, it became clear that Peter didn’t want a mom; he wanted a girlfriend. The dolphin became uninterested in his lessons, and he started wooing Margaret by nibbling at her feet and legs. When his advances weren’t reciprocated, Peter got violent. He started using his nose and flippers to hit Margaret’s shins, which quickly became bruised. For a while, she wore rubber boots and carried a broom to fight off Peter’s advances. When that didn’t work, she started sending him out for conjugal visits with other dolphins. But the research team grew worried that if Peter spent too much time with his kind, he’d forget what he’d learned about being human.

Before long, Peter was back in the house with Margaret, still attempting to woo her. But this time, he changed his tactics. Instead of biting his lady friend, he started courting her by gently rubbing his teeth up and down her leg and showing off his genitals. Shockingly, this final strategy worked, and Margaret began rubbing the dolphin’s erection. Unsurprisingly, he became a lot more cooperative with his language lessons.

Discovering that a human could satisfy a dolphin’s sexual needs was the experiment’s biggest interspecies breakthrough. Dr. Lilly still believed that dolphins could learn to talk if given enough time, and he hoped to conduct a year-long study with Margaret and another dolphin. When the plans turned out to be too expensive, Lilly tried to get the dolphins to talk another way—by giving them LSD. And although Lilly reported that they all had “very good trips,” the scientist’s reputation in the academic community deteriorated. Before long, he’d lost federal funding for his research.





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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: atayia]
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yeah my friend showed me the book about cilly. He was communicating with the dolphins and tripping out on amounts of ketamine so large he lost track of his own dick

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: mrckb]
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I read his book.  It is called Programming the Human Biocomputer.  It's really good.

Before doing anything with dolphins he spent years in sensory deprivation tanks, first without hallucinogens, and then later on adding LSD to the mix.  His book is very well written and is full of metaphors describing his experiences programming his own mind under sensory deprivation conditions.  It's really insightful actually if you can keep up with the metaphors.

Toward the end of his life he performed experiments with dolphins with the intent of communication, reasoning that they are some of the most intelligent creatures on the planet and some basic forms of communication should be possible.  By the end of his life, if I remember correctly he was able to communicate with them similar to how humans have been able to have basic communication with some primates that have been trained to express themselves using hand signals.  If you've ever seen the movie Congo, the ape in that movie was based on a real one.


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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Plok]
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So long and thanks for all the fish.



Oysterhead_Oz is ever floating


Oz is always floating
Ever drifting sometimes doting
Over things that mean the world to
Dr. John C. Lilly
In the tank he's grooving
Ever sifting sometimes smoothing
Out the things that mean the world to
Dr. John C. Lilly
Are you still floating Dr. John C. Lilly?
Drifting as the time goes by
Across the inner cosmos he is flying
His tank is isolating
In his mind he's elevating
All the things that mean the world to Dr. John C. Lilly
Are you still floating Dr. John C. Lilly?

In the liquid he will lie
Rehearsing for the final act of dying

Oz is ever floating.


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Mad_Larkin said:  Death is just a thang.
:clementine:
MrJellineck said:  Profits, prophets. That's all you jews think about.
sheekle said: life is drugs... and music... and cat... :snowman:

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: aNeway2sayHooray] * 1
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Drop acid
Jerk off dolphin
???
Dolphin talks

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: atayia]
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atayia said:
Quote:
Before long, Peter was back in the house with Margaret, still attempting to woo her. But this time, he changed his tactics. Instead of biting his lady friend, he started courting her by gently rubbing his teeth up and down her leg and showing off his genitals. Shockingly, this final strategy worked, and Margaret began rubbing the dolphin’s erection. Unsurprisingly, he became a lot more cooperative with his language lessons.






Interesting.

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: s240779]
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i thought johnn lilly used ketamine to communicate with his dolphins


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[url=
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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Adden]
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Dystopia said:
Drop acid
Jerk off dolphin
???
Dolphin talks



What a bizarre post. I've lost my marbles a long time ago it seems.

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Adden]
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lol


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No sympathy for the devil, keep that in mind.
[url=
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Are you lost?

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Legend]
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i would like to get a job like this some day


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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: mrckb]
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sounds odd, but im sure weirder things have happened,i wish i could take some LSD down by a fucking epic beach, which i'm sure he was in the area of a sick ass beach, i love trippin :heart:

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: mrckb]
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Well duh, dolphins communicate via telepathy, LSD opens you up to that


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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Shroomism]
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john lilly is one of my few heroes in life.  He was a true psychonaught not sum pansy dropping a 10 strip and listening to the greatful dead.


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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: teamkiller] * 2
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well if theres any animal we could communicate with it would be dolphins.

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: atayia]
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atayia said:
I don't even know what to say about this.  Conniving dolphin manipulated the human female living with him into giving him handjobs...but the study only lost credibility AFTER they started involving LSD to try to make the dolphin speak English???!?...I know this is kind of a McDonald's version but it raises so many questions for me personally.

From "4 Bizarre Experiments That Should Never Be Repeated"
http://www.worldsstrangest.com/mental-floss/4-bizarre-experiments-that-should-never-be-repeated/

Quote:
Perhaps the most troubling experiment in recent history is the dolphin-intelligence study conducted by neuroscientist John C. Lilly in 1958. While working at the Communication Research Institute, a state-of-the-art laboratory in the Virgin Islands, Lilly wanted to find out if dolphins could talk to people. At the time, the dominant theory of human language development posited that children learn to talk through constant, close contact with their mothers. So, Lilly tried to apply the same idea to dolphins.

For 10 weeks in 1965, Lilly’s young, female research associate, Margaret Howe, live with a dolphin named Peter. The two shared a partially flooded, two-room house. The water was just shallow enough for Margaret to wade through the rooms and just deep enough for Peter to swim. Margaret and Peter were constantly interacting with each other, eating, sleeping, working, and playing together. Margaret slept on a bed soaked in saltwater and worked on a floating desk, so that her dolphin roommate could interrupt her whenever he wanted. She also spent hours playing ball with Peter, encouraging his more “humanoid” noises and trying to teach him simple words.

As time passed, it became clear that Peter didn’t want a mom; he wanted a girlfriend. The dolphin became uninterested in his lessons, and he started wooing Margaret by nibbling at her feet and legs. When his advances weren’t reciprocated, Peter got violent. He started using his nose and flippers to hit Margaret’s shins, which quickly became bruised. For a while, she wore rubber boots and carried a broom to fight off Peter’s advances. When that didn’t work, she started sending him out for conjugal visits with other dolphins. But the research team grew worried that if Peter spent too much time with his kind, he’d forget what he’d learned about being human.

Before long, Peter was back in the house with Margaret, still attempting to woo her. But this time, he changed his tactics. Instead of biting his lady friend, he started courting her by gently rubbing his teeth up and down her leg and showing off his genitals. Shockingly, this final strategy worked, and Margaret began rubbing the dolphin’s erection. Unsurprisingly, he became a lot more cooperative with his language lessons.

Discovering that a human could satisfy a dolphin’s sexual needs was the experiment’s biggest interspecies breakthrough. Dr. Lilly still believed that dolphins could learn to talk if given enough time, and he hoped to conduct a year-long study with Margaret and another dolphin. When the plans turned out to be too expensive, Lilly tried to get the dolphins to talk another way—by giving them LSD. And although Lilly reported that they all had “very good trips,” the scientist’s reputation in the academic community deteriorated. Before long, he’d lost federal funding for his research.







:mindblown:


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No sympathy for the devil, keep that in mind.
[url=
]Buy the ticket, take the ride. [/url]
Are you lost?

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Re: Lsd = dolphin communication [Re: Legend]
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Truly a tragic example of what can happen to a person once they stop trying to integrate the psychedelic experience back into their life, and start trying to make the trip their life.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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