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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: vjp]
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Hell yeah! Threaten my country publicly? Can't come in bitches! :lolsy:


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: vjp]
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vjp said:
H. R. 1540—265 sections 1021
Prisoner#1 said:
vjp said:
nice, i have too

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf



then you can certainly show us where it states americans will be arrested


pg 359 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf



nope.... that doesnt say americans can/will be arrested. US Code on the
other hand does say they can be arrested for the crimes. you know, the
laws that have been enacted for years, they even arrested Timothy McVey
under those terrorism laws

Prisoner#1 said:
vjp said:
they were deprived of their liberty - by definition they were arrested.



Quote:
Arrest "The state of being so detained" and "The act of detaining in legal custody"



they were not 'kept' in custody, they were released within a day.

Definition of ARREST
transitive verb
1
a : to bring to a stop <sickness arrested his activities> b : check, slow c : to make inactive <an arrested tumor>
2
: seize, capture; specifically : to take or keep in custody by authority of law
3
: to catch suddenly and engagingly <arrest attention>


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
vjp said:
nice, i have too

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf



then you can certainly show us where it states americans will be arrested

the british couple were not. they were detained and sent home



i can show you where it doesn't mention US citizens being able to be detained



Subtitle D—Counterterrorism
SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF
THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS
PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the
President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to
the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40;
50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces
of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection
(b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section
is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,
or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged
in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,
including any person who has committed a belligerent act or
has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
forces.

(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a
person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may
include the following:

(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until
the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for
Use of Military Force.

(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States
Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009
(title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).

(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent
tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country
of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit
or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the
Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States.

(f) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—The Secretary
of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application
of the authority described in this section, including the organizations,
entities, and individuals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’
for purposes of subsection (b)(2).


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: Kada]
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If an importer buys drugs like opium or opium products like heroin from terrorist-supporting organizations (Read:  Buys opiates from the Middle East) that could easily be construed as supporting terrorism and they could be detained under NDAA guidelines.  How long until that definition extends to importers getting drugs from Mexican cartels?

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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: abltsandwich]
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if anything, this kind of thing should signal that terrorism has clearly won. the government now lives in so much fear of terrorist threats that quoting an episode of family guy will get you barred from entering the country.


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
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love2shpongleIRL said:
Check out sections 1015-1034.



still not seeing where it expands executive powers


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
If an importer buys drugs like opium or opium products like heroin from terrorist-supporting organizations (Read:  Buys opiates from the Middle East) that could easily be construed as supporting terrorism and they could be detained under NDAA guidelines.  How long until that definition extends to importers getting drugs from Mexican cartels?



do you believe that they'd 'detain' someone under this bill before they
would US Law for bringing in drugs, this law states that detainees would
be released at the end of hostilities meaning that A) it's used in war time
and B) the detainee may be released in less than a year


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
abltsandwich said:
If an importer buys drugs like opium or opium products like heroin from terrorist-supporting organizations (Read:  Buys opiates from the Middle East) that could easily be construed as supporting terrorism and they could be detained under NDAA guidelines.  How long until that definition extends to importers getting drugs from Mexican cartels?



do you believe that they'd 'detain' someone under this bill before they
would US Law for bringing in drugs, this law states that detainees would
be released at the end of hostilities meaning that A) it's used in war time
and B) the detainee may be released in less than a year


Hmmm, like during the War on Drugs?
And sure they might detain them if they can't pump them for the info they want:

"Fine if you won't give us names we're going to keep you here until you do.  Don't worry, we work in shifts and we have all the time in the world."

I'm not sure if they would, but they could.

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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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:maximumtrolling:


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
Prisoner#1 said:
abltsandwich said:
If an importer buys drugs like opium or opium products like heroin from terrorist-supporting organizations (Read:  Buys opiates from the Middle East) that could easily be construed as supporting terrorism and they could be detained under NDAA guidelines.  How long until that definition extends to importers getting drugs from Mexican cartels?



do you believe that they'd 'detain' someone under this bill before they
would US Law for bringing in drugs, this law states that detainees would
be released at the end of hostilities meaning that A) it's used in war time
and B) the detainee may be released in less than a year


Hmmm, like during the War on Drugs?
And sure they might detain them if they can't pump them for the info they want:

"Fine if you won't give us names we're going to keep you here until you do.  Don't worry, we work in shifts and we have all the time in the world."



um... like no. the war on drugs is a slogan since drugs arent being shot
and killed, nor are they being held as POWs to be released after
hostilities end nor are they shooting back or taking prisoners. drugs are
an inanimate object. wars are declared by congress. nixon coined the term
war on drugs as rhetoric to show he's tough on crime


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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:lolwut: the War on Drugs doesn't target inanimate drugs only, it's the users and dealers.  My analogy was a little bit of a stretch but so are yours, whatever it still sidesteps my postulate: Buying drugs from the Middle East directly funds terrorist groups so the importers are considered as aiding terrorists, which is grounds for NDAA detainment according to the law as it's written.
Further, the definition of "terrorist" could at some point in the future be redefined to fit the agenda of the government.  Now that they have this power to detain people indefinitely all they have to do is slowly change the parameters of detainment over time.

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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
:lolwut: the War on Drugs doesn't target inanimate drugs only, it's the users and dealers.


then it's not as obama says, it really is a war on US Citizens, imagine that, a politician lies to us


 
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My analogy was a little bit of a stretch but so are yours, whatever it still sidesteps my postulate: Buying drugs from the Middle East directly funds terrorist groups so the importers are considered as aiding terrorists, which is grounds for NDAA detainment according to the law as it's written.


except that if the importer is detained than as the NDAA is written then
as soon as the 'war on terror' is over then that prisoner is released, as
I said, it could be as little as a couple months away. then again it could
be centuries from now and if that person is a citizen o the US, they're
exempt from the NDAA detention


Quote:
Further, the definition of "terrorist" could at some point in the future be redefined to fit the agenda of the government.  Now that they have this power to detain people indefinitely all they have to do is slowly change the parameters of detainment over time.



and monkeys could fly out of my ass

the bill specifically states that it does not apply to US citizens


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: vjp] * 1
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Oh come on... thei're british! That's their humor!

But on the other hand I'd have done a full body search for spades and shovels on that girl too ^^

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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984] * 3
    #15738939 -

:lolsy:

You yanks never could take a joke :trollhide:


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Re: "British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes" [Re: spoonbomb]
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it's a law in my land, that if someone tries to detain me when i'm not doing anything wrong, that i shoot them in the face.

rough, eh?

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