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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Oh how your eyes must have unforseen wisdom.


You can go ask the 20-30 million alcoholics in the United States, and millions of drug addicts.


It's not propoganda. Your brain has been physically rewired. You have chemically changed. Cravings might go away for years at a time, but you are always at risk of relapse. You can't fix the problem, only manage it. It's a chronic issue that is never truly fixed.


Addiction science is not propaganda. I suggest you open a book.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: withoutawire]
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Once the cravings are gone, if you relapse, it is your fault. I know people who do do addicting things with little consequence too.


It almost feels like an energy thing. You take a drug, it changes the way you feel in a powerful way. I like vivance, it makes me feel invincible, but still...I know that that invincibility is fake and I cancombat wanting to take more after the comedown by knowing that the energy it gives is something that was inside all along.

A bit ranty, but just a thought. Don't think too harshly on it.


I think addocta are just in need of being propped up.


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All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, outrun my gun

take drugs seriously
say no to :guns:
dealing isn't a game guns shouldn't be a part--- PSA

also, the forum index symbole is the above the influence symbol. what up with that?

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Of course it's your fault. It's your fault for not working a solid program to deal with those cravings. That doesn't change that there are life long cravings, that your brain has been rewired to crave drugs five to seven times stronger than your drive to eat after being without food 24 hours (British Medical Journal PET and MRI scans). If you have no one to call, no meetings to go to, no sponsor to call, no friends to talk to, then that's 100% your fault. The fact that you experience those feelings is the addiction. It has zero to do with will power at that point.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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When I stop taking my blood pressure medicine, my blood pressure goes up. That is not withdrawal as your argument would have me believe.

And since you're quoting Wiki, let's take a look at what Wiki says, exactly. Not that I think it will educate you, but it might educate someone else who accepts scientific findings over druggie medical advice.

Here's the quote:

"Drugs such as amphetamines (including methamphetamine and methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), cocaine, cathinone, hallucinogens (such as LSD, psilocin, and mescaline), cannabis (tetrahydrocannabinol) do not cause physical dependency/physical addiction, but range from extremely psychologically addictive (cocaine and methamphetamine) to mildly psychologically addictive (MDMA)."

Here's the Wiki link: Physical Addiction

Do you get it now? Probably not. You're not looking for the truth, whatever it may be. You're looking to win an argument to satisfy your ego and truth be damned if it gets in the way.

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: salvothestoner]
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I've had friends get addicted to drugs too and I've noticed you can say your little bit here or there but in the end it's up to them. Some make it some don't.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Diploid]
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Your blood pressure med thing is a kinda a shitty argument. That isn't addiction


If you crave, you are physically addicted. If you say, want cookies, yum, then that is mental...or maybe a bit physical. I don't buy the whole 'heroin>nicoting and chocolate=cocaine' stuff the scientests say about addiction.

Not really. I'm not looking to win anything. It's obvious that you can find some material to support whatever. I could find shit here, on the net, that says weed cures cancer. It still seems laughable.

I'm just hearing things far contrary to anything I've known. Anyone besides maybe you that I'd say 'meth isn't sddictive' to would think I was nuts. Not EVERY word said aboout drugs is propaganda...except maybe here at the shroomery.

WEhat you are aying is pro meth propaganda I think. You said it does bad things anyway, so you are arguing the one thing that everyone else knows, it's adictive. Where you draw your mental/physical lines is your thing. I don't count just craving something as addiction. There must be something physical, because

'they just get addicted because it feels so good' sounds stupid.


You belittle their addiction and it makes you kind of an ass


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All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, outrun my gun

take drugs seriously
say no to :guns:
dealing isn't a game guns shouldn't be a part--- PSA

also, the forum index symbole is the above the influence symbol. what up with that?

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Last post has me nignoring the snitch. Pointless.



Gzuf- It's 1000% up to the addict. Are the consequence enough, and are they willing to do EVERYTHING the people with years of clean time tell them to do? It works for them, and I dare you to find me any other model of addiction treatment that remotely has the same success. It just doesn't exist, it sucks, but at least it gives us a fighting chance.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: withoutawire]
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Ya know, I didn't even snitch.
My friend, the one I mentioned before, is looking over my sholdier laughing at what a moron you are.

Addiction treatment in the US is cold turkey. It's a stupid way to go. Ween


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All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, outrun my gun

take drugs seriously
say no to :guns:
dealing isn't a game guns shouldn't be a part--- PSA

also, the forum index symbole is the above the influence symbol. what up with that?

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Notwoodyallen said:
Addiction treatment in the US is cold turkey. It's a stupid way to go. Ween


LOL yea right.


if it was, there might be a higher success rate.


We are too soft on addicts and give them substitute drugs.  As an addict, i feel fortunate to say i live in the usa as opposed to being forced to cold turkey like they would in say Russia.

Although if i was ever forced through w/ds i, admittedly, would probably have an easier time stayin clean.

dont tell my docs that tho.

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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I'm just hearing things far contrary to anything I've known

BINGO! You've been misinformed by the remarkably effective prohibitionist propaganda system. It works so freakishly well, that even after several pages of science, you still believe the propaganda.

You've been lied to by our government and you've swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Next you'll be telling me about reefer madness. It all comes full circle to YOUR suggestion a few posts back that people should be lied to about drugs to get them to stop. Well my friend, you are a victim of your own suggestions.

Here's a great quote you'll identify with:

Quote:
"We felt the effects of marijuana were so dangerous that it was better to lie to the American public to save them rather than tell them the truth." -- Partnership for a Drug Free America



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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Diploid]
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I heard the sub drugs barely help. Here, they don't have needle exchange or anything


BINGO! You've been misinformed by the remarkably effective prohibitionist propaganda system. It works so freakishly well, that even after several pages of science, you still believe the propaganda.

You've been lied to by our government and you've swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Next you'll be telling me about reefer madness. It all comes full circle to YOUR suggestion a few posts back that people should be lied to about drugs to get them to stop. Well my friend, you are a victim of your own suggestions.

Here's a great quote you'll identify with:


You are a stupid cunt. i wouldn't be here if that were the case. And there was 1 science quote that supported ME and a link to wikipedia.

Ya, several pages. Far be it for someone to think an addictive substance is addictive


I'll admit my quote about the hyperbole was wrong, but I hink you are engaging in the opposite, like I said. Next thing you know it'll be methedone that's not physically addicting


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All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, outrun my gun

take drugs seriously
say no to :guns:
dealing isn't a game guns shouldn't be a part--- PSA

also, the forum index symbole is the above the influence symbol. what up with that?

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Name calling is the recourse of those whose argument is so defective and indefensible, that in frustration, they lash out with childish names instead of rational debate.

It's also against the rules. You know this as you've been banned recently for the same thing.

Take a longer break this time. If you keep this up, you're on your way to a permaban.

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Drugs are not irreversibly addictive. Its the weak and self-hating that cant shake it off even after realizing what their doing to themselves

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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it's not that simple.

Champion boxers get hooked and they are definately headstrong.
the drugs hijack your mindpower n use it against you and do eventually make you feel weak. i think its a stretch tho to say that only the weak become addicts

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Apostle]
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Yeah, your right. Its a bit of a dense move to attempt to generalize. Still I hold to it that a large portion of them are riddled with self hate, arnt comfortable in their own skin and are/or have become to weak to fight it off.

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Notwoodyallen]
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Notwoodyallen said:
Once the cravings are gone, if you relapse, it is your fault. I know people who do do addicting things with little consequence too.


It almost feels like an energy thing. You take a drug, it changes the way you feel in a powerful way. I like vivance, it makes me feel invincible, but still...I know that that invincibility is fake and I cancombat wanting to take more after the comedown by knowing that the energy it gives is something that was inside all along.

A bit ranty, but just a thought. Don't think too harshly on it.


I think addocta are just in need of being propped up.


Ya my parents put me on all types of "medicine" for my adhd brain ever since i was in second grade Fuck all those adhd pills it's basically a diluted form of meth. The pharmacutical companies make money off of perscribing people there shit. Corrupt peices of shit. I took vyvane too. It's horrible for your heart. It basically isolated me from everyone else in my childhood. Luckily I was smart enough to figure this out when I got out of high school. HAHAHA doug stanhope nailed it on the head. I can relate exactly to what he is saying.

Glad I stopped taking my adhd meds and embraced my creativity.


my parents put me on adderall, vyvanse, strattera, ritalin, zoloft pretty much tried every adhd medicine in the book. Fuck pharmecuticals they will eat your soul and suck the life out of you.

Edited by Poptart (10/31/11 04:02 PM)

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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Poptart]
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Btw you should get your freind to look into ibogaine.

It will heal the receptors in his brain that he damaged with abusing meth.

look it up. But fda wont do research into it because they can't make a profit off of nature.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Poptart]
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this thread is a full fleged shit fest


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: Salomon]
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Quote:
Fuck pharmecuticals they will eat your soul and suck the life out of you.


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Re: my freind wont stop smoking ice (meth) [Re: ButteredToast]
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ButteredToast said:
Quote:
Fuck pharmecuticals they will eat your soul and suck the life out of you.



yea but once the cats out of the box it just is.

so let us like our pharms n go meditate n eat your veggies :gc:

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