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Should I be messing around with this stuff?
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A little background - I'm 19, female, fat and on 4 medications. 75(?)mg Effexor, 27(?I forget)mg Concerta, 0.5mg Lorazepam, 300mg Wellbutrin. I have been diagnosed with depression, ADD and social anxiety disorder.

My question is - am I the type of person that should be messing around with drugs? The lifestyle of an experimental drug user has always sounded appealing to me - exploring 'altered conciousness' and whatnot. I've been smoking weed semi-regularily for about 7 months and I've done ecstasy 4 times. I had 2 good experienced with E, and the other 2 I spent kind of annoyed because the friend I was with was higher than I was and I was getting jealous, lol. A lot of the time my medication really dumbs down my highs, weed included. It takes 1.5g minimum for me to be feeling decently stoned.

I've heard stuff about Shrooms,etc messing with the way you think, blah blah and I'm scared of anything permanent. I've been told that, medications and mental illnesses in mind, I shouldn't be doing drugs. Wondering what you guys thought?

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: dope]
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Well as long as you aren't, like, schizophrenic or anything too serious, I'm pretty sure psychedelics are safe, when used responsibly.

Although I'm not familiar with the medications you're on. Some of them could be an MAOI, which is pretty dangerous when dealing with mind-altering substances. I'd recommend researching the medications before combining them with any other drugs...

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Awkward Bandana]
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Well based on the medications you listed, you suffer from both depression and anxiety. So my 2 cents is that some drugs could be for you, and some just aren't. The good news is that those meds aren't SSRI's or MAOI's. So physically speaking, they won't interact with a lot of the drugs you'd be experimenting with.

However, many psychedelics play on the psyche that you have, so anxiety or depression can interact badly. However, if you feel these conditions are under control, you may want to start with low doses. Know your body, know your substance :smile:


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Use these substances wisely, they have the ability to cause life altering realizations.

Edited by bholzer (09/10/11 06:58 PM)

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: bholzer]
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fuck medications never taken em never will fuck doctors and all there pills being forced on kids I have a friend that is fucked because of those stupid miracle pills that doctors give out like candy. And then you see a commercial about "if you or loved one took any of these medications please call 1800 our bad ( katt williams made tht one up lol)the real one is 1-800 bad-drug haha wtf. You say it takes 1.5 g of bud to get high!!!!fuck that I would not take those pills just because of that not including all the side effects and what i have seen first hand. I hope you can stop taking those pills and realize you dont need them and fuck what that stupid ass doctor says it's all about money he really doesn't give a shit about you or me.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: BoomerMan420]
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It's kind of funny because I'm pretty sure weed treats all of those illnesses as well...

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Awkward Bandana]
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Awkward Bandana said:
It's kind of funny because I'm pretty sure weed treats all of those illnesses as well...


This. Depending on the extend of the ailments, weed could certainly help with ADHD, depression, and anxiety. One drug, 3 fixes. Awesome.


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: bholzer]
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bholzer said:
Awkward Bandana said:
It's kind of funny because I'm pretty sure weed treats all of those illnesses as well...


This. Depending on the extend of the ailments, weed could certainly help with ADHD, depression, and anxiety. One drug, 3 fixes. Awesome.


With relatively no unwanted side-effects, unlike the other meds.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: bholzer]
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Thanks, guys. Very helpful responses.

I WAS on SSRIs for almost 2 grueling years. Proud to say I took myself off them.

I think if I venture into this world, I'm going to have to really make an effort to control the frequency because I wouldnt want to start using shit as an 'escape' as lame as that sounds.


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: dope]
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Congratulations on getting off them that's awesome. Fuck those straight up.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: BoomerMan420]
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Only you know. Are you in a stable mind set? If you dose small you won't have a wild trip and you will be able to control your thoughts to the degree that is important. Don't do them until you've had at least 3-4 good days in a row. Negative thoughts can be a slippery slope.
Go with small doses, with someone you know and trust that has done them before. I wouldn't go over 2 grams. Read up here on trip reports, both good and bad. Remember set and setting. The biggest thing to remember when you are under the influence is that you are ok and you will eventually come down from the high.
Have fun and remember you can always post here and someone will usually respond if your trip is going oddly/badly.


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: bholzer]
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I think the wellbutrin is inhibiting your ability to get high.  Wellbutrin is a noephinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine-dopamine_reuptake_inhibitor

I still have a bottle of the stuff, was prescribed to me for cigarette cravings.  Shit works good if you actually want to stop smoking.  But fuck that medication, it started fucking with my head.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: dope]
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Probably not, but I don't really think most people should be messing around with this stuff. Including myself. :lol:

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: BleakBeat]
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BleakBeat said:
I think the wellbutrin is inhibiting your ability to get high.  Wellbutrin is a noephinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine-dopamine_reuptake_inhibitor

I still have a bottle of the stuff, was prescribed to me for cigarette cravings.  Shit works good if you actually want to stop smoking.  But fuck that medication, it started fucking with my head.


Ah, I didn't know this...now armed with this info, I might be able to add a little more.

Turns out, wellbutrin is going to dull the effects of any drug that acts on the dopamine receptors(quite a lot of them). :sad:

Sucks, but that's the way it is.

However, that leaves you with drugs that act on serotonin receptors(also quite a lot) :smile:


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Edited by bholzer (09/10/11 07:34 PM)

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: dope]
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Quote:
dope said:on 4 medications. 75(?)mg Effexor, 27(?I forget)mg Concerta, 0.5mg Lorazepam, 300mg Wellbutrin [snip] am I the type of person that should be messing around with drugs?


haha, i count 4 right there. quite a cocktail of big-pharma Names You Can Trust. what was the question?

be aware that heavy or longer term use of MDMA is suspected of fucking with your serotonin regulatory system long term, which could exacerbate your condition.

the Effexor works on your serotonergic system so would likely have an influence on your experience of most psychedelics.

take with a grain of salt as i am ignorant of your condition and the specific rationale for being on the drugs you are on, but my conservative inclination is to say "wait until you are off the other drugs and somewhat stable and happy before experimenting with big-hammer psychedelics."

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Awkward Bandana]
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Awkward Bandana said:
It's kind of funny because I'm pretty sure weed treats all of those illnesses as well...


Lol, only in California...

What I would do if I were you is loose weight and take it from there.  You being fat could be the root cause of some of your problems.  They have you on a lot of meds.  I would work on getting off of those and becoming more healthy. 

Check out the shroomery powerlifting thread to get in shape,
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14566622
and the phys/mental health forum for other great info.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/42


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: dope]
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dope said:
A little background - I'm 19, female, fat and on 4 medications. 75(?)mg Effexor, 27(?I forget)mg Concerta, 0.5mg Lorazepam, 300mg Wellbutrin. I have been diagnosed with depression, ADD and social anxiety disorder.

My question is - am I the type of person that should be messing around with drugs? The lifestyle of an experimental drug user has always sounded appealing to me - exploring 'altered conciousness' and whatnot. I've been smoking weed semi-regularily for about 7 months and I've done ecstasy 4 times. I had 2 good experienced with E, and the other 2 I spent kind of annoyed because the friend I was with was higher than I was and I was getting jealous, lol. A lot of the time my medication really dumbs down my highs, weed included. It takes 1.5g minimum for me to be feeling decently stoned.

I've heard stuff about Shrooms,etc messing with the way you think, blah blah and I'm scared of anything permanent. I've been told that, medications and mental illnesses in mind, I shouldn't be doing drugs. Wondering what you guys thought?


can i ask you this: do you *really* feel better now, than you did before you were put on all those psych meds?


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Han Jeremy]
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I too challenge you to question your medications. You are on a lot of drugs already. You don't seem so concerned about what those are doing to you.


I can't believe it takes you a gram and a half of marijuana to get high!! Are we talking brick weed here? Because that is enough to keep me high for a couple days. If that is how your medication affects your marijuana experience, that would alone be enough reason for me to want to quit taking it :stoned2:

If you have such bad anxiety and depression I could not imagine wanting to take psychedelics. A 19 year old fat girl (in your own words) Probably your biggest problem is your physical health. Work on that, and there goes your anxiety, there goes your depression, its sad that the doctor is such a drug peddler that he put you on four medications instead of recommending that you get some exercise. I know from personal experience. Used to be a fatty, at 19 for sure, and now I am skin and bones. Take it from me. You have the power to transform yourself, don't have a doubt. Those medications will make you lazy and docile and zombified into a rut. You will never change, never get over your anxiety and depression, never lose weight, you'll just be comfortable being a vegetable. Start eating healthy food and being active and ask your doctor for advice on weaning yourself off all the meds, and be firm because he wants to keep selling them to you, and he is going to put up a fight. That's my two cents anyway.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: drr]
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drr said:
I too challenge you to question your medications. You are on a lot of drugs already. You don't seem so concerned about what those are doing to you.


I can't believe it takes you a gram and a half of marijuana to get high!! Are we talking brick weed here? Because that is enough to keep me high for a couple days. If that is how your medication affects your marijuana experience, that would alone be enough reason for me to want to quit taking it :stoned2:

If you have such bad anxiety and depression I could not imagine wanting to take psychedelics. A 19 year old fat girl (in your own words) Probably your biggest problem is your physical health. Work on that, and there goes your anxiety, there goes your depression, its sad that the doctor is such a drug peddler that he put you on four medications instead of recommending that you get some exercise. I know from personal experience. Used to be a fatty, at 19 for sure, and now I am skin and bones. Take it from me. You have the power to transform yourself, don't have a doubt. Those medications will make you lazy and docile and zombified into a rut. You will never change, never get over your anxiety and depression, never lose weight, you'll just be comfortable being a vegetable. Start eating healthy food and being active and ask your doctor for advice on weaning yourself off all the meds, and be firm because he wants to keep selling them to you, and he is going to put up a fight. That's my two cents anyway.


it seems that these days psychiatrists don't want to "waste their time" delving into psychoanalysis and possibly help a person find out the roots of some of their problems. they'd just rather load the person up on scripts in a never ending cycle of a psych med combonation slot machine.


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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Han Jeremy]
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Im pretty impressed with the responses in this thread. 

I have suffered from anxiety and depression at times.  Marijuana and shrooms have in no way worsened those problems.  Honestly, if anything, they have made me feel better.  I have tried MDMA a few times and only one time felt a strong crash, which was really pretty awful.  I tend to stay away from that stuff now. 

I think peoples suggestion of exercise is a good one.  Physical activity really calms my mind down and makes me feel better when im going through a bout of anxiety or depression. 

But yeah, I would say that if you are interested in some substances, go for it.  But like people have said, start at low doses and go from there. 

Also, I do think medications can, and often do, play a very important role in the treatment of mental illnesses.  However, I was prescribed far too many drugs when it turned out that what worked best for me was consistent talk therapy.

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Re: Should I be messing around with this stuff? [Re: Han Jeremy]
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Han Jeremy said:
drr said:
I too challenge you to question your medications. You are on a lot of drugs already. You don't seem so concerned about what those are doing to you.


I can't believe it takes you a gram and a half of marijuana to get high!! Are we talking brick weed here? Because that is enough to keep me high for a couple days. If that is how your medication affects your marijuana experience, that would alone be enough reason for me to want to quit taking it :stoned2:

If you have such bad anxiety and depression I could not imagine wanting to take psychedelics. A 19 year old fat girl (in your own words) Probably your biggest problem is your physical health. Work on that, and there goes your anxiety, there goes your depression, its sad that the doctor is such a drug peddler that he put you on four medications instead of recommending that you get some exercise. I know from personal experience. Used to be a fatty, at 19 for sure, and now I am skin and bones. Take it from me. You have the power to transform yourself, don't have a doubt. Those medications will make you lazy and docile and zombified into a rut. You will never change, never get over your anxiety and depression, never lose weight, you'll just be comfortable being a vegetable. Start eating healthy food and being active and ask your doctor for advice on weaning yourself off all the meds, and be firm because he wants to keep selling them to you, and he is going to put up a fight. That's my two cents anyway.


it seems that these days psychiatrists don't want to "waste their time" delving into psychoanalysis and possibly help a person find out the roots of some of their problems. they'd just rather load the person up on scripts in a never ending cycle of a psych med combonation slot machine.


That's what your psychologist is for. You talk to them about how your life has been and what the medications you're on are doing to you. They also serve the purpose of having someone with whom you can be completely honest.


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