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Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination
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Conservative commentator Glenn Beck compared the victims of the shooting spree at a Norway summer camp to Nazi's youth movement, drawing international ire.

"There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler Youth, or whatever," Beck said on his radio show Monday, which is broadcast on more than 400 stations.

"I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing," Beck said about the Labour Party youth camp on the island of Utoya where 68 people, mostly teens, were killed.

Later in the same show, Beck described Anders Behring Breivik — the Norwegian suspect charged with last week's double massacres — as a "madman."

Former press secretary to Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, Torbjorn Eriksen, swiftly condemned the U.S. broadcaster for his remarks about the Utoya camp.

"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," Eriksen told the Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."

The massacre on Utoya came hours after a bombing on a government building in central Oslo on Friday. The twin attacks killed at least 76 people, shocking a nation so unaccustomed to violence that police officers there are rarely armed.

Eriksen told the Daily Telegraph Beck's remarks were a "new low" for the former Fox News pundit, who left the network earlier this year after sagging ratings and a litany of controversial quotes.

The Hitler Youth was a division of the Nazi Party, made up of teens and and children as young as 10, that existed from 1922 to 1945.

Washington-based activist group The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence called Beck's comparison "absolutely disgusting."

Political camps associated with Beck Despite his harsh words, Beck actually has some involvement in political youth camps himself. His 9/12 Project — which aims to unite Americans as much as they were on the day following the Sept. 11 attacks — has been running camps for kids this summer. The Utah camp, for example, seeks to provide "heritage-based education for youth, with special focus on the Constitution and the Founding generation."

On Tuesday, defense lawyer said that Breivik hates "the values of democracy" and he felt it was necessary to launch the attack. "He looks upon himself as a warrior," Geir Lippestat said in a press conference.

Breivik posted a 1,500-page manifesto online before his attacks which detailed his radical theories about Islam and multiculturalism.

"I want to make this very, very clear: This is the act of a madman," Beck said. "This is the act of somebody who needs to be in prison for the rest of their life."

Beck also said he predicted something like this would happen.

"I warned that this what was coming in Europe ... Last fall I said Europe is going to go into financial trouble and it's also going to go into problems with radical Islam."

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/beck-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth

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So, what is everyone's opinion on these political camps? Do you see them as indoctrination for the sake of the party, or actual unbiased education about government and democracy?

In my opinion indoctrination of children is a huge issue. Without people spouting their beliefs as truth to children and then children just believing what they were taught, we probably wouldn't have nearly as many religious people as we do today (not that religion is bad but making a child share your beliefs from birth is), or people who just agree that drugs are bad without knowing about them.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: The Vapor]
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It pleases me that he is more disturbed by the prospect of "Political camp" than a massacre :lol:

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: The Vapor]
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:facepalm:

Do you think Glenn Beck is an act, that he knows he is full of shit, or do you think he's just an idiot whose ego is so out of control that he believes his own bullshit?

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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Glenn Beck is an idiot at best.:thumbdown:


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: CapSlinger]
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He's the best money can buy.

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: Caine]
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Fuck Glenn Beck.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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Is that supposed to make it ok? Hitlers name is so misused these days by people who are desperate to win an argument. And Glen beck is as desperate as they come.

Shooting up a hitler youth camp would have been just as bad. Just a bunch of kids doing what their misguided parents tell them to do.
Is comparing these kids to nazis supposed to make people sympathize with the shooter? I understand that he was tired of seeing his country overrun by muslims. But there were better targets to take out your anger on, besides kids.

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: lazyfingers]
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I think this article is relevant:

From http://theweek.com/article/index/216425/tea-party-summer-camp-indoctrination-for-kids (from June 17th)

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Americans have been sending their kids to summer camp since the 1880s, providing a (mostly) palatable mix of fun and learning — and giving tapped-out parents a much-needed break. So perhaps it isn't surprising that a Tampa Tea Party group has latched onto this storied U.S. tradition to teach kids about history, economics, and... the evils of socialism and paper currency? Here, a brief guide to America's new Tea Party summer camp:

What is the Tea Party summer camp?
Tampa Liberty School is a weeklong day camp for kids ages 8 to 12. It's run by the Tampa 912 Project, a Tea Party–affiliated group aligned with Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project. The camp itself is organized by conservative writer Jeff Lukens, and will "impart the principles of liberty as discovered and implemented by the founders of our country." According to the St. Petersburg Times, those principles include "I believe in God," and "I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."

Why a summer camp?
Today's public schools are too politically correct, says Lukens, and kids need to learn the truth in their extra-curricular activities. Lukens was inspired by a similar camp in Kentucky, and vacation bible schools. But though Liberty School is being held in a Christian school, it isn't all about faith. "We want to introduce a younger generation to economics and history, but in a fun way," says Tampa 912 Project chairwoman Karen Jaroch.

What other principles will Liberty School impart?
"Timeless and incorruptible" ones, gleaned from the organizers' understanding of the Constitution and other writings of the founding fathers. And how will these lessons be taught? Here are some examples:

The gold standard is superior: The camp will have a store where kids can buy things using hard, wrapped candies (representing gold), or a paper currency that will lose its purchasing power throughout the week. "Some of the kids will fall for it," Lukens says. "Others kids will wise up." Max Read at Gawker finds "the idea of a My First Federal Reserve setting monetary policy... rather endearing." But Salon's Alex Pareene is confused: "What will children buy at the 'store' if they already have candy?"

"America is good": The kids will start by sitting quietly in a bare room (Europe), then progress through an obstacle course to a festive party room (the New World), where red, white, and blue confetti will be thrown about. Then the kids will have to clean up the confetti, to teach them that freedom requires work and responsibility. Maybe, says Gawker's Read, but I bet the smart ones "use their hard, wrapped candies to pay other kids to clean up the confetti."

Socialism is bad: The campers will blow bubbles from a communal tub of soapy water, then use squirt guns to shoot other kids' bubbles, tallying the number they pop. Next, they will switch to individual bubble containers, popping their own bubbles, to learn "that you can do a lot more with individual freedom," says Lukens. Huh? says Kirsten Boyd Johnson at Wonkette. Everyone knows "popping other kids' bubbles is way more fun than popping your own."

Will parents really send their kids here?
Well, it's a great bargain, at only $15 total for five 3-hour days. Earlier this week, eight of the 40 available slots had already been filled. If the camp is a hit, its organizers want to offer more sessions, either over the summer or during the school year, possibly even in public schools during Constitution Week. "We plan on coming back and coming back and coming back," chants Lukens.

What are the chances the camp will produce young Tea Partiers?
Well, the campers will turn out to be either "insufferable, proselytizing Ayn Rand adolescents" or "black-clad teen-age loners who love Death Metal and hate their parents," says Heather (Digby) Parton at Hullaballoo. Either way, am I the only one who sees "the irony of indoctrination into individualism?"

Sources: Gawker, Globe and Mail, Hullabaloo, MSNBC, Salon, St. Petersburg Times, Tampa Liberty School, Tampa 912 Project, Wonkette



Political camps of any sort (not just the kind you disagree with) are indoctrination. That is because the children are not given the freedom to come to their own conclusions. Children are easily influenced, and political camps take advantage of this.

I do however support camps that teach children how to think critically and solve problems. Leave politics until they are old enough to comprehend the issues, seek out the facts, and come to their own conclusions.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: The Vapor]
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The Vapor said:
"I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing," Beck said about the Labour Party youth camp on the island of Utoya

Later in the same show, Beck described Anders Behring Breivik — the Norwegian suspect charged with last week's double massacres — as a "madman."


"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," Eriksen told the Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."




learn about democracy? the democracy of the welfare state? I dont see
beck's statements as being that far off, kinda like the hitler youth but
more like the Marx youth or to update it, the Obama youth


The Labour Party (Norwegian: Arbeiderpartiet, A/Ap) is a social-democratic political party in Norway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
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Social democracy is a political ideology of the center-left on the political spectrum. Practical modern social democratic policies include the promotion of a welfare state, and the creation of economic democracy as a means to secure workers' rights.



a means of forcing employers to keep bums on the payroll, how exactly
is socialism a democracy other than in name of social democracy because it
certainly doesnt give the employer a choice

Quote:
The Hitler Youth was a division of the Nazi Party, made up of teens and and children as young as 10, that existed from 1922 to 1945.



just the opposite of what the hitler youth/nazi party was about

except it seems they hated jews too


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Very Glenn Becky of you to translate "Boycott Israel" into "I hate Jews."

Does part of you enjoy this massacre? Seems like you're defending his choice of target.

Edited by uber_aj (07/26/11 05:11 PM)

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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Glenn Beck is just an entertainer who collects idiots and sends them to the rebulican voting block, a recruiter who appeals to the most base and vile thoughts of useless individuals who might vote against anything rational if slightly encouraged.

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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When they reported this story down here, they referred to "shock-jock" Glenn Beck. Yep, apparently he's waiting to take over from Howard Stern.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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uber_aj said:
:facepalm:

Do you think Glenn Beck is an act, that he knows he is full of shit, or do you think he's just an idiot whose ego is so out of control that he believes his own bullshit?



Shock value keeps him in business, duh.

He says something shocking, the media reports and he gets more listeners who want to hear what he has to say next.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
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Yeah totally, but that doesn't mean he realizes that it's all bullshit, he could be as dumb as his target audience. I personally think he's faking some of it, but I haven't seen too much of his former show.

I think he's kind of like Jessica Simpson. Stupid as fuck IRL, but exaggerating it even more for the camera.

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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Unfortunately I can't take Glen Beck seriously

which means I also can't take this as accurate reporting




if you have a few other sources about the same topic I'll check it out


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: uber_aj]
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uber_aj said:
Very Glenn Becky of you to translate "Boycott Israel" into "I hate Jews."



I translated it to be communist jew killers

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: the bizzle]
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the bizzle said:
Unfortunately I can't take Glen Beck seriously

which means I also can't take this as accurate reporting




if you have a few other sources about the same topic I'll check it out




the story is about glen beck and his comments, it's not glenn beck reporting about what glenn beck said

just read the shit and quit being such a nazi hater

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Glenn Beck gets a little chunkier every year, I bet he keeps like 100 girlfriends and has an iv of drugs and booze. He's gonna go the way of Rush Limbaugh and get busted though.

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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: lazyfingers]
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Imagine if the Democratic Party had a summer camp for kids.

I'm betting an extreme right winger would do the same here.


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Re: Glenn Beck Compares Norway Victims To Hitler Youth, And A General Conversation On Indoctrination [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
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