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So you want to be a Shaman? * 1
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I've found this great article on Shamanism that I feel like sharing, and I'd like to recap some of my own personal experiences to maybe help others who feel a calling to this pathway as well. If not into Shamanism, then for self-healing.

http://www.shamanscave.com/articles/contemporary_shamanism/so_you_want_to_be_a_shaman

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Let's start with the word 'shaman'. Shaman is gender neutral, there are no shamen or shawomen, only shamans, big ones and little ones.

The word itself was taken from the Tungis tribe in Siberia by 19th century anthropologists. The name, which in Tungis means ghost talker, was then applied loosely by other scholars to any indigenous native religious tradition. There is more than a small element of racism in that, but this is what was done.

Shamanism is the oldest form of human spirituality. In a very real sense, it is the grand daddy of them all. Recent discoveries, of new caves in France put actual artwork representing shamanic themes back at thirty seven thousand years ago. Tell this to a shaman and watch the flicker of a small smile play across their lips, because they know it is much, much older. They have existed in every culture, every civilization, since the dawn of man. They have traveled under many names from the High Priests of Isis to the Delphic Oracles, from the Hebrew prophets to Nostradamus. To the Celts they were the File (fee'lyee), the vision poets, to the Scots they were Tailbshear (tah'shar), the vision seers, to the Welsh they were the Awenydd (ah-wen-ith) the inspired ones. They are the walkers between worlds, the bridge between this reality and the unknown. They are, in short, just plain nuts.

Shamanism is not a religion, it is important to understand this, despite what new agers and some faux shamans try to create, it is not a religion, though it is a religious practice. Shamans are tied very intensely to the earth and to creation in general. All shamans are unique; no two are alike even though there are similarities. The shaman of old was the man or woman living at the edge of the village in a mud hut, off to themselves. They were usually shunned by the communities they served, until of course, they needed them. Some things never change.

So how do people become shamans?

I'm glad you asked.

When people ask me seriously how they can become a shaman, I always respond with a simple question: "Why would you want to?" Let me outline what is going to happen to you, if you ignite this spark. You will have no friends; they will shun you because you scare them now; they will tell you that you're insane. You will experience love, at its core - love so intense and so selfless; touching upon it makes you want to die. But, you will never have anyone in your life again to share it with. Your family will become strangers to you. Everything you own will be taken away. You will live, in some sense, in constant pain, alone; you will truly become the wounded healer. People will treat you like a dime-store psychic. Now, your spark is becoming a tiny flame and the bad stuff starts. Visions you can't control; illnesses that are serious yet seem to have no cause or cure. You will become depressed, a depression so deep and dark, you feel as though you are eating your own soul.

Now your tiny flame is growing into a small fire and the real trouble starts -- spatial lapses, missing time, time distortions and things that go bump in the night. Your awareness begins to grow, but what is in that awareness provides no comfort. New creatures will enter your world, not all of them are nice. In fact, some of them will try to kill you, literally. You will feel naked against the full force of ancient energies. Something is driving you at this point, you no longer feel in control of anything. Fear will seize you. This isn't normal fear, but the kind of fear that steals your breath and stops your heart. People will become transparent wraiths to you. When you see them, it will be in their totality. You will feel their pain, anger and misery. Not in terms of a casual observer, you will live it, in that instant. This is unimaginably horrible. But now you know, somewhere inside, a fire is raging.

Somehow, through all the pain, sweat, blood, misery and tears, you survive (most do not) to see beyond yourself and the world. You're standing toe to toe with death -- your own -- and you suddenly slap it in the face and laugh. What appears next in your vision is one golden moment, one instant in a sea of time. You will risk everything for that one chance to stare into the maw of eternity, to see, to know, because you are burning now with the fire from within. You will leap into that chasm, not wanting to, but because you can do no less. Now you are just a streak across that vastness, one small insignificant part of an immense whole. In the end all you can say with that final desperate act is: "We mattered, we were here". Perhaps you'll come back. Perhaps you won't. But now you can carry the name . . . shaman.

Shamans can be quite the life of the party - it's just a matter of why? They choose their actions; they do not allow them to be chosen for them. All of this comes down to the issue of why, why stalking, why dreaming, why intent and movement? Shamans are using all these things to move their own energy to places that frankly, are crazy. But people in general can use the techniques to help them in their lives. Shamans are both ignorant and amazingly wise.

A shaman is created in any two of the following three ways: they are born to it, they are trained in it as a tradition or they are called to it at some point in their lives. Shamans act from a place that isn't quite the same as other people. If a shaman loves you, he or she comes from a place where love is unselfish, unmotivated, they would love you only because you are you and for no other reason, no expectation, no sense of loss.




Mmkay. I'll give a bit of a story to show you where I come from.
When I was 15 I had an initial interest in the Amazon Jungle, and I can recall Briefly reading into Shamanism, and this is before any real drug experiences came into play, I started developing a longing, a sense for something that I couldn't explain, I had thought it was originally for the Jungle, but now I can see it's for something much different.
Turned 17, scizophrenia outbreak. The past 3 years, self-healing rather then self-medicating. And here I am today, preparing myself for a transition over to South Africa.

This past year from 19-20 I had to do some deep soul searching to figure out whether or not my interest was in Shamanism, or the drugs they rarely ingest; and my intention on whether or not I can really withstand such a path. I'll be honest, this was a hard thing for me to do. I haven't ingested any psychedelic substance in almost a year just for the sole purpose of learning where my interest lies. I've been disciplining myself and doing a lot of crazy things that I am not sure why I do what I do.

From what I've learned generally with psychedelic substances, they hinder any true process among the path, it can take a lifetime to truly grasp the message of one experience, let alone constantly plugging more of the plants wisdom into your body. It can be overwhelming, but it does have it's purpose.

This lifestyle change, this utter insanity that I've walked for years now, it has been a most arduous and painful journey, with a few suicide attempts. It becomes overbearing, nothing is what it was years ago. And some days I really wish it was. I am left alone, no real friends to mention, my family feel like just another part of something that's become strange to me. :shrug: But in a sense, it comes with an overbearing sense of freedom and love, that I try to open up to other people. But it's just to difficult to bridge between myself and others in that sense. But when it comes to pain, it's completely different.

I believe my main interest in going to South America was to learn about Ayahuasca and ingest it, and I've decided against that judgement and to go to South Africa where I was invited by a Sangoma to train without the use of mind altering substances.

I feel crazy without the substances, and I can increase my awareness to such crazy degrees without everything, there will be times when i cry because of just how beautiful everything feels, then the next moment, it feels like something dark has entered into my body and is threatening to consume my soul. But throughout all of this, I am ever more encouraged to continue this journey, and learn from the Sangoma, nothing else feels real to me, nothing else matters to me. This is my path of service for man kind. I just hope I have the discipline to disrupt the discipline.

I'll leave this with a question, for those who are pursuing something similar, what have you noticed about yourself over the years?
What got you interested in Spirituality in general?
Is your interest in Spirituality/Shamanism within the drugs or what the Shaman stands for?

I'd appreciate any insight.
But you can always do the whole tl;dr.
It doesn't matter to me, i'm just curious as to what you all think.


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I honor the place in you in which the entire universe dwells. I honor the place in you which is of love. of truth. of light, and of peace. When you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me. We are one.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin]
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Ah baloney:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: Icelander]
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To which part? :sun:
I'd love some good discussion.


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I honor the place in you in which the entire universe dwells. I honor the place in you which is of love. of truth. of light, and of peace. When you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me. We are one.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin]
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tl;dr

But I am going to respond anyway, because I'm a prick like that. I know a shaman. I know someone who is well on their way to being a shaman. I know someone who takes money and leads drug ceremonials who claims to be a shaman but seems to be more in it for the money and getting high.

As for me, I don't want to be a shaman. I feel drugs confuse me for then they help, and if I obtained anything on them I feel like I would question whatever insight I had - even though they can be so convincing. From here on out my work will be done on the zafu, and though living life.

As Alan Watt's says: Once you get the message hang up the phone.


Oh and: ah salami  :rastamon:

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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If you would of read it, with my intentions of Shamanism, I have no interest in pursuing drugs. I intend to abstain from every single substance. And I will be apprenticed under a Sangoma.
These people you know, were they apprenticed? How dedicated are they to that way of life?


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I honor the place in you in which the entire universe dwells. I honor the place in you which is of love. of truth. of light, and of peace. When you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me. We are one.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin]
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It seems you understand what it takes to walk that path. You have to give it all up. The paradox is you gain everything, but the you is gone. I don't know if I could do it. I haven't done a psychedelic in almost a year, and I could count on my hands the times I have in my lifetime. I always found them the most amazing and powerful experiences, something I wouldn't dare abuse.

Right now my spirituality revolves around meditation and dream related consciousness. I don't think we need any substances to access higher or lowers states of consciousness, just right-brain imagination and proper technique. I'm trying to incorporate the shamanic paradigm in the West. I think astral projection/lucid dream literature is the best we have at the moment.

I had a dream the other night which I called "Wounded Warrior." This thread reminded me of it. Maybe it will mean something to you:

“The Wounded Warrior”
I’m this wounded warrior who is facing his assailant. I find myself walking towards a large cave, limping with my life energy running out. I thought my enemy might be a sole individual. As I walk into the cave I am greeted by a woman holding a child. She gives me the child as a form of protection for what is inside the cave. As I get further into the cave I notice my enemy is a tribe of warriors – they look almost like indigenous Australians or face-painted African warriors. As I approach them this power from inside of me beings to unlock. In a spectacular showing a Tiger spirit comes out of my chest. The scene becomes almost ethereal and cartoon like. Like an anime action scene, my character massacres the warriors in the cave. One of the warriors, the King, attempts to escape. 

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin]
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HappyTrippin said:
If you would of read it, with my intentions of Shamanism, I have no interest in pursuing drugs. I intend to abstain from every single substance. And I will be apprenticed under a Sangoma.
These people you know, were they apprenticed? How dedicated are they to that way of life?




Alright alright I read it :smile:

While on Hawaii I attended four ayahuasca works under the same shaman. The vibe I got from him once I spent learned more about him was that he was more in this for the money, and just getting high. You could tell by his actions that he had not really accepted the message of the diame he was ingesting. Charging $40 for a work is reasonable, but then he wanted more and more - and he held them often, once to twice a month. Some people in the area who attended all the works had respect for him, but that was not the vibe I got. I feel it is very very important to know who is going to be guiding you though the experience, and to have complete and total faith in that person.

Also on Hawaii I made a very very good friend. He was the same age as me, both in our early twenties. Spending time with him I learned much, in a way he showed me how to simply be. He flowed from one place to the other with ease, simply experiencing. He showed me we can be whoever we want to transform ourselves into, we can do whatever we want with our time here. I respect him humbly and very much look forward to when our paths cross again. He expressed some desire to be a shaman, in the way that he could guide people though psychedelic experiences - whatever he chooses to do it will be amazing and inspiring.


Lastly, back on the mainland I recently started attending a local meditation group. The woman who runs it is... well words will never describe. I had the honor of attending a weekend silent retreat under her guide which showed the me power of meditation. It is clear listening to her that she has become free, no longer trapped, but embracing the formless. She teaches the Dharma well, and has made it her life to ease suffering. She has walked the path, and now guides others down it. I am grateful to be able to learn from her, she is my meditation teacher, my Dharma teacher, and my friend.


Now since I am in the typing mood, in response to your original post:

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What got you interested in Spirituality in general?



At age 19, sitting above treeline at 11,500' on the side of a mountain for the first time I remember I touched something. I was pure awareness, and it was beautiful. I had no idea what it was at the time, and those are merely words pointing to the experience. But it woke something up in me.

The better part of my life I feel as I have been seeking something. I never knew what it was, but I wanted an answer to a question I could not form. So I looked. It brought me up mountains, across oceans, and delivered psychedelic experiences.

Up in the great white north I randomly came across an Eckhart Tolle book - A New Earth which I started to read. Half of me was wondering what this new age bullshit was going on about, and the other half was interested in it. So I bought more books about various spirituality subjects and started reading. At that time I randomly moved to Hawaii with a backpack because of a cheap plane ticket. There I grew more and more, started meditating and reading and learning.

Ayahuasca showed me a few things, gave me insights into my life, I loved it. But I was still seeking, still looking for that answer to a question I did not how to ask. Things changed, I played the game, broke the rules and paid the price. Circumstances brought me back to the mainland. Looking for a meditation group online I came across one that looked good and check it out.

It has only been two and a half months since I went to the Sangha meditation but I have changed. I have found my path for now, I no longer need to seek, I no longer need to question. Now is the time for me to act, to walk the path and follow the signs. And that is some of my story.


c0sm0nautt: I am interested in getting into lucid dreaming. Do you happen to have any suggestions on beginners books, or advice, or a direction to point me in?

Much mahalos brah  :psychsplit:

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
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JohnnyZampano said:
c0sm0nautt: I am interested in getting into lucid dreaming. Do you happen to have any suggestions on beginners books, or advice, or a direction to point me in?





Cool story man. I want to do something like that. Just get on a plane with a backpack and see where the winds takes me.

I would recommend three books on the subject of lucid dreaming. They each approach the subject in slightly different ways, but all are profound and are an important piece to the puzzle so to speak. Start which whatever one calls to you. :cool:

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge PhD
Dreamgates by Robert Moss
Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman

The best advise I could give is to start a dream journal (I use a voice recorder and MS Word). Set an alarm clock to wake you up 5-6 hours in if you have trouble remembering your dreams at first. Stay still when you wake up and let the dreams come back to you. Once you make yourself more receptive to your dreams they will pick up in intensity and lucidity. Dreams have brought a great joy to my life. Every night is like a new adventure.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Awesome, thanks for the suggestions :smile:

I did keep a journal for a bit then got lazy, time to start up again. Talking to someone at a meditation retreat he said his dreams started to become much more lucid as he began to get deeper into his meditation practice. Looking forward to exploring the world of dreams.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin] * 1
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you could study as much Shamanism as possible, but that would never make you a Shaman in my eyes.  we are not part of that culture, have not grown up around it therefore it is and always will be somewhat alien to us.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: deranger]
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That's exactly the attitude that keeps cultures separate.
The minds the same, the bodies the same, the only thing that differs is the culture. I've ran into quite a few people who share the same belief as you, but the Sangoma in South Africa told me part of his calling is to bridge that gap between cultures. This is just all my opinion as well, and the way I see it through my eyes. I guarantee you Shamanism has existed in almost all cultures, at one point. It's just that our society hasn't deemed Shamanism as something essential to our health, because of our advances in medicines. :shrug:


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I honor the place in you in which the entire universe dwells. I honor the place in you which is of love. of truth. of light, and of peace. When you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me. We are one.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin] * 1
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I do not really agree with Shamans and many so called Yogis that Must give their wholes lifes up & families (rediculas), that is just ungrounded & dogmatic behavior do to low protein deficient dietary preference.

Edited by p4kSouL (01/13/11 09:49 PM)

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: p4kSouL] * 1
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p4kSouL said:
I do not really agree with Shamans and many so called Yogis that Must give their wholes lifes up & families (rediculas), that is just ungrounded & dogmatic behavior do to low protein deficient dietary preference.



wat... i don't even...


I feel you must give up all attachment if you want to fully transcend "all of this". Can't really keep clinging to the material world if you wish to walk beyond it.

Hmmm... low protein is... I don't even know how to respond to such a (rediculas) statement.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: JohnnyZampano] * 2
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Yeah but your family is not a BAD THING. Jeez the material world IS SPIRITUAL. Its part of the root chakra, but dont worry take away your root chakra power and higher malevolent energies can easily take control.

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: p4kSouL]
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Both of these viewpoints are valid..
If you choose with awareness to become wholey attached, wholey unattached, or somewhere inbetween, go for it, what matters is awareness, and personal preference..

I personaly experimented with both extremes, and though these are lifelong processes, i believe from what iv experienced.. that the line between the two is fading..

Our collective Transendence.. why not have your cake and eat it too?

and to mention Alan Watts again..
He spoke about a friend who wrote him saying along the lines..
'Dear Alan
how are you?
As for me, i've given up all aspiration for satori and nirvana, and am becoming as wholey attatched to as many people and things as possible.'


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Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.

"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."

"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

Edited by FunkMasterShroom (01/14/11 12:08 AM)

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: HappyTrippin] * 1
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That was an interesting read.

What I'd submit to the discussion is that before anything else, shamanism is a western anthropological concept.

We might note without bias that the people of these so-called "authentic" cultures regarded the shaman as different, or as its Other, like this article points out. But articulating concepts of knowledge based on the Other is a pattern of social discourse even in the most developed societies (see orientalism

Description of the social role of the shaman is what is really often at issue in these types of discussions:

When we say the shaman is "able" to cross the ordinary borders of ordinary human comprehension, what is also being described as the "social role" is the shaman crossing a thin line from alienation to a public mystique. 

Does the shaman discretely reside in the Other world, or our world?

The role of a shaman in my society doesn't exist, because of laws. Since we are unable to ultimately posit a difference between human law and natural law, law is interpreted strictly as what someone is able to do or what his or her limitations are. This is what leads to the common disputes concerning shamanism.

If any shamanism is at all possible, then we all have access to the essential tools, and are not lacking any secret ritual forms. It is interesting to think of how much trouble comes to consciousness when the said function of the shaman itself is analogously considered in terms of a collective social consciousness. This general issue may be inherently controversial.

In terms of the particular usage though, this shouldn't reflect an absolute limitation. It seems to me the ideal structure of an "authentic" culture is what should be put into question, rather than a particular shaman's "abilities". I would say it is mostly an illusion that a particular culture constitutes the shaman. The difference between cultures is minor in regards to the possibility of shamanism, because all cultures have the same tendency to structure knowledge in terms of social differences.

The shaman might have existed more transparently in older societies, because, to put it bluntly, they believed in "magic". Submitting to the same image of that shamanism, as if it were "authentic" from a respectively western standpoint, makes shamanism impossible by any known standard. This is not the way that a shaman defies logic.

Before anything is said in specific regard to that, this is a practical matter. So again shifting focus back to the general role; I don't think anyone needs to be called a high priest or anything like that, but it would be nice if there was some alternative to being "criminally insane". A discussion of shamanism is first and foremost an open issue regarding this most basic and common respect. "Authenticity" might subsequently be at issue in the art of shamanism, but that would presuppose their is a human dimension other than institutionalization. A person may be more or less skilled, or may have journeyed more or less deep, but in contemporary discussions of shamanism it is difficult to overlook the basic (i.e. primitive or technical) possibility.

Edited by daytripper23 (01/14/11 03:27 AM)

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: p4kSouL] * 1
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p4kSouL said:
Yeah but your family is not a BAD THING. Jeez the material world IS SPIRITUAL. Its part of the root chakra, but dont worry take away your root chakra power and higher malevolent energies can easily take control.



"the value of a shaman is measured not by how deep he can travel, but the extent to which he can heal his community" --forgot the source, but its from a tribe with a tradition of shamanism


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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: the bizzle]
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'Ifit smells like a shaman then it's a shaman'



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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
'Ifit smells like a shaman then it's a shaman'





:rofl2:

you've made my day!

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Re: So you want to be a Shaman? [Re: random_wanderer]
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What makes my day is making somone elses day so you just made mine :shineon:


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