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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: Ekstaza]
    #12886985 - 07/12/10 12:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

your the first person on the internet to have it all figured out


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: 2859558484]
    #12889030 - 07/12/10 07:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Nope, I just don't fall for unsubstantiated claims through blind faith.

These are not qualities I believe to be of any use.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It is not for me to substantiate every claim made to me. It is up to the person making the claim to provide proof. That demands that they be able to show first hand knowledge of the fact. Sacred books are not evidence. Word of mouth is not evidence. Proof must be evident to all who require it. If proof cannot be made available, the claim cannot be verified and therefore has not been proven to be true. When enough evidence is present, so as to make the claim all but impossible to deny, it is considered to be true. If science can prove it false, then so be it.


So no, I don't know everything, however, there are some things for which the lack of evidence is so overwhelming, that the only logical conclusion at this time is that they most likely do not exist.


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: Ekstaza]
    #12891558 - 07/13/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Nope, I just don't fall for unsubstantiated claims through blind faith.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



You are downright hilarious.

First of all you really expect me to believe an unsubstantiated and outraegeous claim that indiginous peoples focused on survival and saving previous life really had time for trial and error, double blind, placebo ect.

  A simple search on ethnography would reveal the truth of how indiginous medicines come about. Ecology, observation, myth and word of mouth. Not trial and error. Where is there room for error if you eat a random herb and you die?

The problem with you Ekstaza is you have missed the point entirely. You shouldn't be asking HOW they came about to discover such things. Thats your "oh-so-greater-than-thou" western paradigmn monkey brain spewing liquid feces. You need to ask WHY. thats the important question. Only when you become unconcerned with the extraeneous details of the matter will you start to learn what really matters.


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: 2859558484]
    #12891668 - 07/13/10 08:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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it is pretty widely reported that grafted or soil grown peyote are real weak compared to the real deal.






No


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: Big L]
    #12891954 - 07/13/10 10:12 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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it is pretty widely reported that grafted or soil grown peyote are real weak compared to the real deal.






No





I have tried medicine from the peyotero's down south and from a friend's cultivated collection at his house. The medicine from the peyoteros are consistently stronger.


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #12892204 - 07/13/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Were they equal size and age?

A 20 year old Loph picked from the wild will certainly be stronger than a 5 year old cultivated one.


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: Big L]
    #12892275 - 07/13/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Were they equal size and age?



to be honest the medicine that was cultivated was more bloated with water and therefore larger. The ones from the garden were probably the same age but slightly smaller - all over 7 years at least. There's no telling how old the dried ones are.

Im not saying the cultivated ones were extremely weak, just higher in water content and therefore not as bitter/alakloidal as the wild. I honestly prefer medicine that has grown in nature but in NAC meetings you get a mix of both usually.


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Re: In Deep South Texas, peyote harvest dwindling [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #12901720 - 07/15/10 03:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Ekstaza said:
Nope, I just don't fall for unsubstantiated claims through blind faith.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



You are downright hilarious.



Thank you, I'll be here all day, Thank you.

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ShroomDoom said:
First of all you really expect me to believe an unsubstantiated and outraegeous claim that indiginous peoples focused on survival and saving previous life really had time for trial and error, double blind, placebo ect.



It's call Occam's razor. All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually correct.

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  A simple search on ethnography would reveal the truth of how indiginous medicines come about. Ecology, observation, myth and word of mouth. Not trial and error. Where is there room for error if you eat a random herb and you die?



Geez Louise, of course they observed somethings that helped them to figure things out but get real here. They were not scientific about their selections. Also, They didn't make these discoveries in a single generation. They happened over thousands of years. Probably even before people started using language as we know it, today. Our ancestors could have been making these discoveries before even home erectus came about. Do you seriously expect me to believe they had any clue what they were doing?


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The problem with you Ekstaza is you have missed the point entirely. You shouldn't be asking HOW they came about to discover such things. Thats your "oh-so-greater-than-thou" western paradigmn monkey brain spewing liquid feces. You need to ask WHY. thats the important question. Only when you become unconcerned with the extraeneous details of the matter will you start to learn what really matters.



I take it I should rely on some kind of faith for my answers of "how". No thank you!!! That's a path to un-enlightenment.


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