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Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire * 2
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I know quotes can be lame, but the level of honesty in J. Kerouac's writing is amazing to me.

“What’s in store for me in the direction I don’t take?”

“All our best men are laughed at in this nightmare land.”

“A pain stabbed my heart as it did every time I saw a girl I loved who was going the opposite direction in this too-big world”

“Write in recollection and amazement for yourself”

“...colleges being nothing but grooming schools for the middleclass non-identity which usually finds its perfect expression on the outskirts of the campus in rows of well-to-do houses with lawns and television sets is each living room with everybody looking at the same thing and thinking the same thing at the same time while the Japhies of the world go prowling in the wilderness...”

“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: z_x_x_z] * 2
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I love to read Jack Kerouac, but I think that the last word I would use to describe him is "honest".

The man was so conflicted about his own identity that he killed himself with drinking. He is viewed as a champion of counterculture and youthculture, but in fact he was anything but. He used counterculture to shock himself and to shock his readers, but he never really identified with it. In fact, he never really identified with anything that he said. Most people identify him with his beatnik associates, but he grew increasingly alienated from them. He supported the Viet Nam war and once in his middle age burned a cross on a black family's lawn. His work is replete with his own sexual escapades, but he really lived with his mother his entire life, and the women featured in his novels deny that their relationship was ever sexual. He had a number of homosexual attachments, including a very interesting relationship with his older brother. Most fascinating are his recollections about his early relationship with his mother, who picked worms out of his anus at community gatherings.

The fascinating thing about Jack Kerouac is that once you really start reading his work, his letters, etc., you realize that he actually can't bring himself to tell the truth. To do so would cause an identity crisis too profound in himself. He lives through the identity of others, vampirically. He's nothing like his writing. I love his writing, but too many people conflate his fiction with his personal identity. He's a totally different person than the characters in his novels. I find his personality to be jingoistic, limited, self-hating, sexist, racist, and traditionalist. Inside, Jack Kerouac is a 1950's all-american, crew-cut sporting married man from the suburbs who can't come to grips with his sexuality and who desperately wants to be cool.

Have you ever read "Tristessa"? It's by far my favorite of his books.


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While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: z_x_x_z]
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I'm re-designing my desk space and I'm tempted to order this wall decal to go up in the corner somewhere. I'm not an overzealous fan, but his life was inspiring and is a model of encouragement in a Nike-just-do-it sort of fashion.


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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: kriminalelement]
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Whaaaat? Did you just write that out?


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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: Arden]
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I love to read Jack Kerouac, but I think that the last word I would use to describe him is "honest".



That's for sharing your ideas.

That's interesting. I just see his words as speaking to me without wreaking of unnecessary prose -- and his world views are beautiful without wearing rose colored glasses. I detect modesty as well: "I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion." - JK

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Have you ever read "Tristessa"? It's by far my favorite of his books.



I'll check it out.

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and who desperately wants to be cool.



And, as you mentioned, he may have achieved this in part by piggy backing on others, but I don't think he ever attempted to come across otherwise. He was proactive it seems, and his feet soon followed his words. The air of cool-ness was also created by his friends, his associated areas, and the era of time.

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: kriminalelement]
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As a person who has studied Kerouac's public identity, I find it interesting that you would choose to paint his face on your wall because you find his life "inspiring". Kerouac's public identity has been lionized since the 1980's, when it became trendy to closely associate the work of an author with his personal identity and to observe fiction as autobiographical.

I don't think I would describe Kerouac's life as inspiring. His fictional characters that many people identify as Jack Kerouac certainly led inspiring lives. Kerouac's life seems more "depressing", "confused", "angry", "isolated", "conservative", "racist", and "suicidal". He seems to embrace none of the positive vibes he ascribes to many of his fictional characters.

If you're interested, you should read "Subterranean Kerouac", a biography of his sexual identity. Very interesting stuff.


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While there is a lower class, I am in it
While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

Eugene V Debs

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: kriminalelement]
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As a person who has studied Kerouac's public identity, I find it interesting that you would choose to paint his face on your wall because you find his life "inspiring". Kerouac's public identity has been lionized since the 1980's, when it became trendy to closely associate the work of an author with his personal identity and to observe fiction as autobiographical.



All literature is autobiographical. Until robots start dipping the ink pen, we can assume that literary output carries with it the blueprints of the individual's consciousness (as well as the interaction between the reader and the writer).

As for my personal preference to put an image on the wall, I also find various symbols, architecture, character portraits, and pop icons to be inspiring. My relationship to three-dimensional space is as real as the perception I'm experiencing. Just as history changes, the interpretation of literature is malleable and transient -- it reflects the value of the current times just as much as it reveals the cultural subtleties at the time of writing. Kerouac's face, in this way, may be seen as a shifting canvas.

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: Arden]
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All literature is autobiographical. Until robots start dipping the ink pen, we can assume that literary output carries with it the blueprints of the individual's consciousness (as well as the interaction between the reader and the writer).



It's true that literature may contain the "blueprint of the individual's consciousness", but that does not mean it's autobiographical. An autobiography would contain the literal events a person experienced, as well as an honest accounting of the context of those events. Kerouac wrote fiction. Fiction is "fictionalized", meaning it contains events, characters, and contexts that are not literal.

Obviously the work contains things Kerouac is thinking, projecting, etc. However, it is NOT autobiographical because it IS fiction.

Like, if I went on a trip to New Mexico and had a really great time tripping, to capture the essence of my time in New Mexico I might write a story about a mountain lion (representing me) going on a journey through a rocky desert and meeting a god-spirit. This story would contain some of my experiences, but would not be autobiographical. It's fiction.

The distinction is important to remember when discussing Kerouac because almost none of his writings relate in an honest way to his real experiences. He's using his art to project an image of his own masculinity that doesn't exist in reality. It's true to his consciousness, his desires, etc. However, it is not autobiographical. Fiction differs in important ways from reality.

Kerouac's "life" wasn't "inspiring". His work was inspiring. His life was a mess. He never conquered any of his demons and retreated further and further into alcoholism. He measured his success as an author largely on the sales of his books, and when his books stopped selling in the 60's, he lost all hope. He had no faith in his work as independently valuable art. He was blind to his own accomplishments. It's very sad.

As a nihilist, I would certainly be happy to post his picture up on my wall.


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While there is a lower class, I am in it
While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

Eugene V Debs

Edited by kriminalelement (07/06/10 01:35 PM)

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: kriminalelement]
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Some of my favourite quotes are from Kerouac, his spontaneous prose writing style is a huge inspiration for me in my writings.

His instructions to his method:
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Belief & Technique For Modern Prose

1. Scribbled secret notebooks, and wild typewritten pages, for yr own joy
2. Submissive to everything, open, listening
3. Try never get drunk outside yr own house
4. Be in love with yr life
5. Something that you feel will find its own form
6. Be crazy dumbsaint of the mind
7. Blow as deep as you want to blow
8. Write what you want bottomless from bottom of the mind
9. The unspeakable visions of the individual
10. No time for poetry but exactly what is
11. Visionary tics shivering in the chest
12. In tranced fixation dreaming upon object before you
13. Remove literary, grammatical and syntactical inhibition
14. Like Proust be an old teahead of time
15. Telling the true story of the world in interior monolog
16. The jewel center of interest is the eye within the eye
17. Write in recollection and amazement for yourself
18. Work from pithy middle eye out, swimming in language sea
19. Accept loss forever
20. Believe in the holy contour of life
21. Struggle to sketch the flow that already exists intact in mind
22. Dont think of words when you stop but to see picture better
23. Keep track of every day the date emblazoned in yr morning
24. No fear or shame in the dignity of yr experience, language & knowledge
25. Write for the world to read and see yr exact pictures of it
26. Bookmovie is the movie in words, the visual American form
27. In praise of Character in the Bleak inhuman Loneliness
28. Composing wild, undisciplined, pure, coming in from under, crazier the better
29. You're a Genius all the time
30. Writer-Director of Earthly movies Sponsored & Angeled in Heaven



The last sentence from 'On the Road', which I think is a great example of his flowing prose:
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So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old brokendown river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over the West Coast, all that road going, all the people dreaming in the immensity of it, and in Iowa I know by now the evening-star must be drooping and shedding her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks in the west and folds the last and final shore in, and nobody, just nobody knows what's going to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Neal Cassady, I even think of Old Neal Cassady the father we never found, I think of Neal Cassady, I think of Neal Cassady.



and even his poety can be nice, I enjoy his american haikus:
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The bottom of my shoes
are clean
from walking in the rain.





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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Kerouac's "life" wasn't "inspiring". His work was inspiring.



I understand the importance of the distinction you are making, but I also feel the nature of Kerouac's life (characterized by his inner struggles that you mentioned, along with his alcoholism and isolation at his mother's) helped give birth to the literary work--however imaginative or fictional. To what extent the writing was cathartic for him is debatable I guess. In any case, I feel Rainer Rilke is applicable in his urge for people not to envy the artist, for it's never an easy road.

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and even his poety can be nice, I enjoy his american haikus:



I had a lot of fun reading his spontaneous haikus in Dharma Bums. To my mind he had the ability to seamlessly transition into poetic narrative and then jump back into the main idea of the paragraph. An exoneration of simplicity, it made looking at the simple things in life seem like a meditation; mid-walk, mid-sentence, mid-breath.

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Re: Some Kerouac Quotes: Fuel for the Fire [Re: kriminalelement]
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kriminalelement said:
I love to read Jack Kerouac, but I think that the last word I would use to describe him is "honest".

The man was so conflicted about his own identity that he killed himself with drinking. He is viewed as a champion of counterculture and youthculture, but in fact he was anything but. He used counterculture to shock himself and to shock his readers, but he never really identified with it. In fact, he never really identified with anything that he said. Most people identify him with his beatnik associates, but he grew increasingly alienated from them. He supported the Viet Nam war and once in his middle age burned a cross on a black family's lawn. His work is replete with his own sexual escapades, but he really lived with his mother his entire life, and the women featured in his novels deny that their relationship was ever sexual. He had a number of homosexual attachments, including a very interesting relationship with his older brother. Most fascinating are his recollections about his early relationship with his mother, who picked worms out of his anus at community gatherings.

The fascinating thing about Jack Kerouac is that once you really start reading his work, his letters, etc., you realize that he actually can't bring himself to tell the truth. To do so would cause an identity crisis too profound in himself. He lives through the identity of others, vampirically. He's nothing like his writing. I love his writing, but too many people conflate his fiction with his personal identity. He's a totally different person than the characters in his novels. I find his personality to be jingoistic, limited, self-hating, sexist, racist, and traditionalist. Inside, Jack Kerouac is a 1950's all-american, crew-cut sporting married man from the suburbs who can't come to grips with his sexuality and who desperately wants to be cool.

Have you ever read "Tristessa"? It's by far my favorite of his books.



Lying, butt sex, cross burning, and severe alcoholism?

sounds like a cool guy man.


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