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9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court
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Obviously, this isn't going to change the minds of anyone who thinks laser-armed robots blew up those buildings.  But it should be noted for the record that there are people who say they did it, why they did it, and are in fact quite proud that they did it.

Imagine that...

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-cb-guantanamo-sept-11-trial,0,2749461.story

9/11 suspects offer unapologetic admissions of guilt in chaotic session of Gitmo war court

By BEN FOX | Associated Press Writer
    5:26 PM CST, January 19, 2009

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) — Two alleged orchestrators of the 2001 attacks on America casually declared their guilt on Monday in a messy and perhaps final session of the Guantanamo war crimes court. This week's military hearings could be the last at Guantanamo — President-elect Barack Obama has said he would close the offshore prison and many expect him to suspend the military tribunals and order new trials in the U.S.

Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed architect of the terrorist attacks, were unapologetic about their roles during a series of outbursts as translators struggled to keep up and the judge repeatedly sought to regain control.

"We did what we did; we're proud of Sept. 11," announced Binalshibh, who has said he wants to plead guilty to charges that could put him to death. The judge must first determine if he is mentally competent to stand trial.

Mohammed shrugged off the potential death sentence for the murder of nearly 3,000 people in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"We don't care about capital punishment," said Mohammed, whose thick gray beard flows to the top of his white prison jumpsuit. "We are doing jihad for the cause of God."

Mohammed, representing himself, insisted that a uniformed lawyer assigned to assist him be removed from his defense table, saying he represents the "people who tortured me."

In another diatribe over secrecy, the acknowledged terrorist ridiculed the government's position that national security had to be protected. "They want to hide their black sites, their torture techniques," he said.

Told by the judge to limit his remarks to a legal issue being discussed at that moment, Mohammed bristled: "This is terrorism, not court. You don't give me the opportunity to talk."




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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Madtowntripper]
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They've been saying it for years but are obviously part of THE PLOT themselves.  Bought and paid for courtesy of the CIA and Area 51.  I know I'm all atwitter over the coming revelations from the Obama administration exposing the Bush lies.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I'm Spartacus!

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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Arp]
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I am Spartacus.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: zappaisgod]
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> Bought and paid for courtesy of the CIA and Area 51.

Area 51 is just a cover for Area 52.

> I know I'm all atwitter over the coming revelations from the Obama administration exposing the Bush lies.

Those are in Area 53.  Even Obama doesn't have access to that site 'cause he wasn't in the Skulls 'N Bones club.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> I know I'm all atwitter over the coming revelations from the Obama administration exposing the Bush lies.

Those are in Area 53.  Even Obama doesn't have access to that site 'cause he wasn't in the Skulls 'N Bones club.



Yea they weren't allowing black people in back then. Some say this event is the one life event that polarized bush to not care about black people during Katrina.

When I saw the title I thought "oh, madtown is a conspiracy nut".

:septemberlol:


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: ScavengerType]
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how does an admission of guilt debunk a relevant conspiracy?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
how does an admission of guilt debunk a relevant conspiracy?



Just think of it as one more shaving cut with Occam's Razor.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: TGRR]
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i'd rather not.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
i'd rather not.



Yeah, most conspiracy theorists don't.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: TGRR]
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So should the state execute, at least, these guys?

Imprisonment just seems so illogical to me.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: d33p]
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d33p said:
So should the state execute, at least, these guys?

Imprisonment just seems so illogical to me.



If they confess, and the court accepts it (it most likely will), then go nuts.

I don't give a damn about any of these people.  I am concerned only with the preservation of the rule of law.  If every one of these bastards choked on their dinner, I'd just cry all night.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: d33p]
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Yes, if anyone is eligible for the death penalty it is them.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said:
d33p said:
So should the state execute, at least, these guys?

Imprisonment just seems so illogical to me.



If they confess, and the court accepts it (it most likely will), then go nuts.

I don't give a damn about any of these people.  I am concerned only with the preservation of the rule of law.  If every one of these bastards choked on their dinner, I'd just cry all night.




Damn, still hung up on this rule of law thing, eh? :tongue: I still don't get it. What the state has determined to be the rule of law is bullshit.

Doesn't the idea of the state revoking all liberty from a human and keeping it in a cage until death bother you? Not only that, but at the expense of tax payers?

Give me liberty or give me death. Execution as one of the only punishments just seems so simple, so sweet, so appropriate to me. Personally, I don't support the state in doling out any punishments other than restitution for the victim, short jail sentences, and execution. Imprisonment is wrong.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: d33p]
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d33p said:
Damn, still hung up on this rule of law thing, eh? :tongue: I still don't get it.



Then google "Pinochet" or "Papa Doc Duvalier", and get back to me.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: d33p]
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So if someone runs a red light or steals a nice jacket from a store, they should be executed?

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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
So if someone runs a red light or steals a nice jacket from a store, they should be executed?



And no fucking trials, either.  Just push the bastard into traffic and move along.

This is AMERICA, Goddammit.  We have no need of legal fripperies.  After all, a few bad laws were written, so the entire idea of laws is garbage.

Remember, kids:  Only accept perfection.  If anyone screws up, burn the whole goddamn thing down.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
So if someone runs a red light or steals a nice jacket from a store, they should be executed?



Did you ignore what I wrote? Please re-read it.

No punishment for red light runner imo, there was no victim. If anything, police should stop them and explain that what they did was wrong what the consequences would be had their actions resulted in the injury of their or someone else's property.

The thief must be provide restitution the store.

I'm not the boogeyman. I don't wish the state to kill people, far from it.


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said:
Redstorm said:
So if someone runs a red light or steals a nice jacket from a store, they should be executed?



And no fucking trials, either.  Just push the bastard into traffic and move along.

This is AMERICA, Goddammit.  We have no need of legal fripperies.  After all, a few bad laws were written, so the entire idea of laws is garbage.

Remember, kids:  Only accept perfection.  If anyone screws up, burn the whole goddamn thing down.



Are we projecting? :grin:


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Re: 9/11 Plotters Admit Guilt, Want to Plead Guilty in Court [Re: d33p]
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d33p said:
TGRR said:
Redstorm said:
So if someone runs a red light or steals a nice jacket from a store, they should be executed?



And no fucking trials, either.  Just push the bastard into traffic and move along.

This is AMERICA, Goddammit.  We have no need of legal fripperies.  After all, a few bad laws were written, so the entire idea of laws is garbage.

Remember, kids:  Only accept perfection.  If anyone screws up, burn the whole goddamn thing down.



Are we projecting? :grin:



Um.  No.

A buttload of sarcasm?  Yeah.


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