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Completing ing an engineering degree
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I went to a respected state university a while ago.  I completed the first year of an "Electrical Engineering Technology" degree.  I left school because of a family emergency and never went back. 

EET differs from regular EE (Electrical Engineering) in that it focuses on a lot of practical labs with circuits and devices (motors, PLC's, etc..) whereas traditional EE seems to be more focused on design and power distribution and such. 

After a while all the program was over and over again was a new electrical concept being introduced with accompanying algebraic equations to explain said concept.  A circuit would be shown without several variables and you would just use the algebraic equations to solve for the missing variables and determine what was going on in the whole system.  To be honest, it was pretty easy.

I gather that a "traditional" engineering program is more challenging.  You get a rigorous background in advanced math, physics, chemistry, etc..

So, here are my questions:

1.  How hard would it be to get a BS in EE?  I calculate that my intellect is a "6" on a 1-10 scale (1 being moron, 5 being normal, 10 being genius).

2.  Is it worth it to get a degree given my advanced age (I will be 30 shortly)?  By the time I factor in my shorter career, being out of the full-time workforce for several years, giving a university a bunch of money, and paying higher taxes because I'll earn more money this whole endeavor will easily cost me well over $150,000.

3.  Is it worth it to get an engineering degree given that a lot of jobs are being outsourced and staffed by foreign workers?

4.  I'm kind of lazy and I have a hard time really pushing myself.  Would I get eaten alive in an engineering program?

5.  What kind of money do holders of a BS in EE tend to make?

I was especially looking for any input from people who have degrees in engineering or any one of the "hard" sciences.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Ugh...

Please ignore the extra "ing" in the title of the post.  I'm really not an idiot.  :lol:

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #1]
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why do you want to go?  just the money, or do you want it.
if you really want it, it shouldn't be a problem. Being motivated by money or expectations may make things more difficult.
I don't have a "hard" degree yet, but im working on one now. Im headed towards 30 also. I go because i like it. plus there are girls, and sometimes higher gpa's get the pussy wetter. I do well because i like it.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #1]
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:thumbdown:  Every engineer that I've talked to has absolutely despised their job.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Hey, this is DieCommie.  Im finishing up my BS in physics, going to grad school next year.  I may have a little input for you, but its probably stuff you already know.

Your #1, getting a BS in EE is pretty hard from what I gather.  Its up there in the top of difficult degrees.  Intellect is important, but not a deal breaker.  Im doing fine in my degree, and am probably a 6 like you rate yourself.  However, where one lacks in inspiration one must make up in perspiration.  So the biggest conflict I see is your #4.  If you are lazy and cant self motivate you will get eaten alive.

#2 is something you can only answer yourself.  I am a bit older for my program as well, but younger than you apparently.  I am going into grad school at age 28, and will probably be done around 33.  Im ok with this.  I have no kids, which factors in.  I have a friend who is one year older than me, and he does not want to be in school in his mid 30s so he is doing a quick graduate degree. 

I wouldn't worry about #3.  Education is a good defense against outsourcing.  You have to compete against everybody in the world either way, might as well be educated while doing that.


One more thing to note, by the time I got to your second sentence that mentioned "Electrical Engineering Technology", I got real skeptical.  To me those sorts of degrees half ass a real subject and dont give people the marketability they want.  I think you get the idea that it is quite different from a real EE degree though.

In the end it comes down to #4.  For every point you lack in sheer intellectual power you have to make up with time and dedication.  If you want to do grad school, you need good grades.  This means probably 10 hour days at school 5 days a week.  Weekends filled with projects, no time for partying, etc.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #4]
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I'll have my BSEE this spring.  I enjoyed it the first 3 years for some reaason, but now I kinda hate it.  There is definitely some interesting stuff that you learn, and if you can keep a 3.0GPA, you should have many opportunities when you graduate. The worst part of EE is that it eats up all your free time. 

I've had roommates with various degrees over the years, and all the engineers stay locked in their rooms for the most part working on bullshit while the others do fuck all.  You will have a couple labs every semester, which are very important because it helps you understand how all that fucked up theory you learn in class is applied, but some of them can last up to 3 hours a night, THEN you have to write a report for it, plus final project and final exam -- just for the lab.  Considering you will have at least 2 labs most semesters, this fucking sucks. 

If you're serious about an EE degree, you better stay motivated, disciplined, and manage your time wisely.  If you want to have any resemblance of a life outside of EE, you need to hustle.  Alot of the time it is just: Go to class (8am, OMFG), go home, work on report/homework/study material, go to bed, repeat.  I can tell you that I have put alot less effort into school than some of my fellow classmates, so I enjoy life a little more than they do, but some just have to put in the time in order to make the grades. 

Anyway, don't let me dissuade you from going after the degree, just know that it sucks balls for 4 years.  I don't know what it's like after graduation, when you actually get a job in the field, but it seems like a pretty bleak fucking existence.  I'm sticking with it just because having the diploma will open alot of doors for me, but I'm not sure which one I'm gonna step through.  Good luck.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Quote:
Anonymous #5 said: but it seems like a pretty bleak fucking existence.


This is also what I've been told by engineers, in particular mechanical.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #3]
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haha, fuck that is bad news for me, I graduated with an ME and got a job doing business crap and then I quit because I thought an actual engineering job would be more stimulating, less multi-tasking, and overall less bullshit.

From my experience, the college work is like 80% having good study habits and organization, I don't think you really have to be that smart. Since I had horrendous study habits it completely fucked me over in developing as a person, especially after my fucked up high school existence. But, being older you may not need to worry about that as much.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #6]
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I worked as an electrician on this big industrial project one summer, and I enjoyed it about 10x as much as school.  I almost didn't want to go back to school, but had already invested the money in the first two years.  It was hard work, long days, good money, plenty of overtime, etc.  I worked with an EE who was overseeing the project and he basically just interpreted the drawings that the design engineering firm came up with. His other tasks included ordering parts, taking inventory, being the bitch, meeting with the vendors to pick up parts while we were all knocked off for the day drinking booze on the golf course.  He was definitely making some dough, though.  Poor guy was probably 26-28 years old, BSEE from Ohio State, and I don't think he had ever been laid.

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Re: Completing ing an engineering degree [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
  Poor guy was probably 26-28 years old, BSEE from Ohio State, and I don't think he had ever been laid.




haha

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