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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: z_x_x_z]
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He's on Larry King now.


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Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Ahmadinejad's an idiot.  I hope he gets dealt with soon.


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[quote]skalthren said:
It's nice of you to imply that I've been brainwashed by the government, but the truth is that I'm simply intelligent enough to recognize the subtleties of these issues instead of going "durr hurr, weed should totally be legal!"[/quote]

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: monkeywrench]
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He's actually making some very good points.


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Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: pinkfloydms]
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pinkfloydms said:
He's actually making some very good points.



Ummmm what? I'm not even going there, no point.


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"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assalent, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven". Such is the Rule of Honor."

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: deadmeat986]
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He said he doesn't blame the American people because Bush is a giant fucking idiot. Basically. :ohwell:


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Muppet Said:

so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: pinkfloydms]
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If any of you bothered reading entire transcripts (correctly translated), you'd see that Ahmadinejad is actually a very intelligent individual, and an effective politician.  I'd suggest starting with his speech at Columbia University about a year ago.  As Pinkfloyd states, he does make many good points.


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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: Ferris]
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intelligent? The guy says the Holocaust did not happen. Hitler had good points about socialist but he was a nut job too(killed alot of people).What's wrong with you guys i mean really? i want to know why you hate this country so much you give assholes like this a soap box to stand on? Well we will see how you feel about him in a year.


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"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assalent, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven". Such is the Rule of Honor."

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: deadmeat986]
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deadmeat986 said:
pinkfloydms said:
He's actually making some very good points.



Ummmm what? I'm not even going there, no point.



Thanks for contributing nothing to support your idea. :tongue2:


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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: deadmeat986]
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deadmeat986 said:
intelligent? The guy says the Holocaust did not happen. Hitler had good points about socialist but he was a nut job too(killed alot of people).What's wrong with you guys i mean really? i want to know why you hate this country so much you give assholes like this a soap box to stand on? Well we will see how you feel about him in a year.



Who said anything about 'hating' this country?  It's cute how you default to a position that people who voice opinions which are at odds with your own are unpatriotic.  Seems kinda hypocritical.


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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: deadmeat986]
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i want to know why you hate this country so much



America fuck yeah!

Your jingoistic nonsense is devoid of anything but emotional opinion.

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: z_x_x_z]
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He seems like a guy who wants what's best for his country, which is more than I can say for many American politicians. Who cares what he says about the holocaust, he makes a good point; no historical event should be immune to debate and scrutiny.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Hes a political tool of the Ayatollah and nothing more.

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: DieCommie]
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Then the Ayatollah cares for his country.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Do you take all politician's statements at face value?

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: deadmeat986]
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deadmeat986 said:
intelligent? The guy says the Holocaust did not happen. Hitler had good points about socialist but he was a nut job too(killed alot of people).What's wrong with you guys i mean really? i want to know why you hate this country so much you give assholes like this a soap box to stand on? Well we will see how you feel about him in a year.



Time to educate yourself.  From reading this, you'll see clearly from multiple contexts that he does not truly believe that statement, and rather that it was satire to make an academic point.  If it's in poor taste, which few would doubt, it was chosen as a measured response to the many perceived breeches of etiquette by the US and other western nations (the Netherlands).

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In a speech given on 14 December 2005 in the city of Zahedan, and carried live on Iranian television, Ahmadinejad made the following comments:

    Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions. [...] The same European countries have imposed the illegally-established Zionist regime on the oppressed nation of Palestine. If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there. Then the Iranian nation will have no objections, will stage no rallies on the Qods Day and will support your decision.[79]

    They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets. The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets, (it) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet. If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel? Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?[80]

The remarks were condemned immediately by the Israeli government. Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry stated:

    The combination of a regime with a radical agenda, together with a distorted sense of reality that is clearly indicated by the statements we heard today, put together with nuclear weapons — I think that's a dangerous combination that no one in the international community can accept.

    What the Iranian president has shown us today is that he is clearly outside the international consensus, he is clearly outside international norms and international legitimacy, and in so doing he has shown the Iranian government for what it is — a rogue regime opposed to peace and stability and a threat to all its neighboring countries.[81]

Many other foreign governments also issued condemnations, including those of the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany.

In an interview on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad said "I've just asked two questions. But I have not received any clear answers." referring to his previous statements on Holocaust. He added "I will not make any historical argument. European scientists are in a position to answer these questions". Referring to Europeans, Ahmadinejad added "I want them to offer a clear answer to these questions... what ever they say I would agree".[82]

According to Aftab News, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, a political analyst and an advisor to Ahmadinejad, was the one who initiated the idea of relocation of Israel and also the idea that holocaust is a myth. He himself accepted the full responsibility of this action, as Aftab News reported. In an interview with Financial Times, Mohammad-Ali Ramin stated that he has also initiated Holocaust commission in Iran and he is the founder of the Conference on Holocaust in Tehran.[83] Ramin praised Ahmadinejad for having voiced his doubts over the Holocaust and the need for relocating the Jews to Europe if Europeans really did the massacre during the Second World War.[84]

In February 2006, Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying: "Now, in the West, insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime. We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact, they are hostages of the Zionists."[85] In the same month, Poland banned visas to Iranian researchers who were planning to visit Auschwitz.[86]

In a press conference in Tehran on April 24, 2006[87] Ahmadinejad declared that "Israel can ultimately not continue its existence" and said:

    Anti-Semitism in Europe has forced Jews to leave their countries of origin, but what they did instead was occupy a country which is not theirs but that of Palestinians

    We are sorry for any human being killed in the two world wars. We respect Moses as we respect Jesus, but it is just unacceptable that the Palestinians should suffer from the aftermath

He stated his belief that the Middle East conflict could be settled only within a "just peace plan," but reaffirmed that this must be preceded by the return of all Palestinians to their homelands.

In a May 30 interview with Der Spiegel Ahmadinejad again questioned the Holocaust several times, insisting there were "two opinions" on this. When asked if the Holocaust was a myth, he responded "I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it", and further stated:

    We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it. If it did not occur, then the Jews have to go back to where they came from.[88]

On August 15 2006 a contest for best Holocaust caricatures was officially opened in Tehran. This was Ahmadinejad's "retaliation" for the Danish Paper Muhammad caricatures. 204 Holocaust denial caricatures were presented.[89]

In a September 2006 with NBC Nightly News Anchor Brian Williams, Ahmadinejad further clarified his remarks, elaborating upon his position with three main points, the first of which the fact that not only Jews were killed:[90]

    In the second World War, over 60 million people lost their lives. They were all human beings. Why is it that only a select group of those who were killed have become so prominent and important? Do you think that the 60 million who lost their lives were all at the result of warfare alone? There were two million that were part of the military at the time, perhaps altogether, 50 million civilians with no roles in the war — Christians, Muslims. They were all killed.

Ahmadinejad then addressed the issue in terms of whether the Holocaust, as a historical event, could be "subject to revisions":

    The second and more important question that I raised was, if this event happened, and if it is a historical event, then we should allow everyone to research it and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies. We're still revising our thoughts about what happened over thousands of years ago. Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted? Why is every word so sensitivity or such prohibition on further studies on the subject? Where as we can openly question God, the prophet, concepts such as freedom and democracy?

Lastly, he repeated his comparison between the Holocaust and the Palestinians:

    And the third question that I raised in this regard: if this happened, where did it happen? Did the Palestinian people have anything to do with it? Why should the Palestinians pay for it now? Five million displaced Palestinian people is what I'm talking about. Over 60 years of living under threat. Losing the lives of thousands of dear ones. And homes that are destroyed on a daily basis over people's heads. You might argue that the Jews have the right to have a government. We're not against that. But where? At a place where their people were — several people will vote for them, and where they can govern.





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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: DieCommie]
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Nope, just their actions.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: Hank, FTW]
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What actions?

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Re: Ahmadinejad: 'American empire' nearing its end [Re: DieCommie]
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All of them.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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