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My next business
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As some of you know, I have been self employed in one form or another for most of my life. I have owned a soil business, a glass business, a tech service, and right now I own a successful music instrument repair business in a major US city. I'm not getting rich in terms of money, but I make enough to cover all my bills, save a bit, provide for my wife and kids, and it allows my wife to be a stay at home Mom. Soon, I am going to launch my next business and I wanted to post about it from it's inception here for others to be able to see the process. For my next business, I wanted to start something that will bring music to children, be very inexpensive in terms of item retail, start with zero debt and no loans, and be environmentally thoughtful. Since I am a musical instrument builder by trade, I decided to go that route. I designed an instrument based on the mountain dulcimer. It has 3 strings tuned D A D. It is fretted in a manner different than a guitar. The way it is fretted, there is no way to play a wrong note. Every note you play on any fret on any string is in key. Also, any series of notes you play makes a chord that is correct and relative to the key. The point I am driving home is that there is no way to play a wrong note on this instrument no matter how many people are playing instruments with you.

To keep with the "green" theme, I am going to be using reclaimed wood. Wood that would have normally been discarded after use will be perfect for this instrument. My main source of wood will be old shipping pallets. It is usually well aged, easily worked, and the pieces that arent strong enough to withstand woodworking have already cracked while in use.

I have a few different target customers. My main target customers are families on vacation. Look at it from this point of view. Say you are an average middle class family on vacation at the beach. You have 2 kids between the ages of 3 and 12. You want to be able to entertain your kids for not a lot of money. Everyone likes to idea of playing music on the beach at night, but most people dont want to put in the hours, months, and years to become proficient at an instrument, nor carry a thousand dollar instrument to a place with ocean spray. You should be able to spend under $50 to buy 2 instruments that your kids could play together and never play a wrong note. And if they got dropped in the ocean or accidentally thrown into the fire... you're out less than the cost of feeding the 4 of you one single meal.

Here is how the numbers break down:
My cost for doing a run of 50 instruments: $375
Cost per instrument: $7.50
Instrument Wholesale to retailers: $15
Instrument Wholesale to distributors: $12 in lots of 50
Output capacity of just me building: 50 per day ustilizing a very basic assembly line


At 50 instruments a day selling just to distributors, the profit per day is only $225 which is about what I make now in my current business, but in my business it depends soley on my years of knowledge and experience. In this new business, I can set up an assembly line with the help of a few employees turning out hundreds a day.

I have most all the tools needed for the job. there are a few left I need to pick up. I need to pick up a new table saw with a top notch fence. I am going to dedicate the one I have access to for cutting fret slots. To do that, I need a table saw blade that is 23 hundredths of an inch thick. I am ordering that saw blade tonight for a little under $70. I should be able to get away with a < $300 table saw for the time being. I also need a jointer (a 4" will do) and a thickness planer. For everything, I am looking at about $600.

So to do my first run of 50 instruments, I am looking at a one time hit of $600 for machinery and $375 for parts. We can round that up to an even $1000 to get the ball rolling. I figure it will take me about 2 months to save up that cash. (I could do it sooner, but I have another baby due in the next 2 months.)

Another thing I want to do is give instruments away to elementary schools. I believe that if you get musical instruments in the hands of children at an early enough age, they have more of a chance of being musically inclined for the rest of their lives. I am thinking 5% of net revenue will be put into free instruments.

This is the basic plan for the instrument. It will be painted solid festive colors like bright greens, peach, red... you know... colors you would see in the caribbean. The green dots are where you hold down a string to tune the next one. It really doesnt matter how you tune the first strings just as long as it is tuned to itself (hence the dots.)


Another idea I had was to build a small amount a week, say 50. Then just before next summer season starts, load up a van and start at the jersey shore and drive down to key west hittingevery decent vacation community and give away instruments to those shops on the beach that sell beach toys and knick knacks with brochures on how to order more and and the web URL. I wouldnt be able to get out to California just because it would be too much of a haul for an east coaster like me. If it takes off, I would also like to sell to shops at major cruise ship docks in the caribbean.

What do you guys think?


This is my current distributor list. if you would like to distribute to a city not on this list, please pm me:

  • San Diego, CA
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Portland, OR
  • Seattle, WA
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Boston, MA
  • Nashville, TN
  • Indianapolis, IN


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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Cool man, sounds like a Great idea to me!!!


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Re: My next business [Re: tomnl]
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Too bad I just patented it like a half hour ago, :lol:

Dude, really, if it's k3y, patent it. Then either sell it to a big music maker, or do it up yourself.

BUT DO NOT TRY TO MARKET IT AT LIKE $15 A POP. And if you do, make a few different versions, some shatty ass one for under $100, and a beautiful hardwood lets have anal one for like $400.

Do you have a working prototype?

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Re: My next business [Re: kidaihuan]
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Sounds like a great idea to me.  And that you must be passionate about the work you do.  That was a pretty detailed description.  Thanks of sharing it!
I especially like your low cost approach.

Just yesterday, I stumbled into a little shop that appeared to be in the start up phase.  Their product, Women's bags made out of used boat sails.  SooZou

I liked their product and goals but their price per bag was $125.  Don't know how much volume they can do at that price. 

Any business needs a certain level of volume just to break even.  Your $15 retail price sounds reasonable, and I'd say more people would be willing to try your product than spring for a $125 one. 

Big Respect to you for being able to support your family, running a business your passionate about.  That's worth a lot more than $50K.

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Re: My next business [Re: GnosticWarrior]
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I saw a company just like that in Gloucester, MA a few weeks ago. It's a nice little fishing village on the east coast. They, too, are making bags out of reclaimed sails and selling it for about the same price. The $15 price is wholesale, not retail. I hope lots of people will want to try an istrument they can't play a wrong note on. It'll bring more people into music.

Thanks for the kind words.


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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Damn you're retarded Gnostic Warrior.

Yeah, a lot more people are probably going to buy something for $15 than $125, but you are only going to sell them ONE, and the profit on $15 is a LOT less than the profit on $125.

And don't expect them to be going for more than $30-40 tops if you're selling them to retailers at $15.

Do you have a working prototype?

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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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That's awesome! :thumbup:
I can be your West Coast rep. :tongue2:

Seriously, I can't wait to play one. :yesnod:


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Re: My next business [Re: kidaihuan]
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Quote:
Yeah, a lot more people are probably going to buy something for $15 than $125, but you are only going to sell them ONE, and the profit on $15 is a LOT less than the profit on $125.



that may be true, but you will sell many more for $15 than $125, making total profits higher.

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Re: My next business [Re: geokills]
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geokills said:
That's awesome! :thumbup:
I can be your West Coast rep. :tongue2:

But seriously, I can't wait to play one. :yesnod:




I'll send you one after I do my first run, geo. :smile:

If you have the time to run some free instruments down to area beach nick nack stands, I would definitely be willing to cut you in on sales you generate... even for reorders those places make for a time. It would keep me from having to drive the west coast looking for places you alread know of.


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Re: My next business [Re: kidaihuan]
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kidaihuan said:
Damn you're retarded Gnostic Warrior.

Yeah, a lot more people are probably going to buy something for $15 than $125, but you are only going to sell them ONE, and the profit on $15 is a LOT less than the profit on $125.





Probably right about me being retarded.  I never started or ran my own business.  I was lucky enough to have family who labored and saved their wages, so that I could invest that capital in publicly traded companies.

Investing in stocks imho, helps one to learn a little about business.  Walmart and Macdonalds have huge advantages in their line of business bcs of the scale that they do.  The low margin/high volume products have helped to grow their business network and as more volume is achieved certain cost efficiencies are realized which improve profits.  Funny, with alot of other companies reporting lowered earnings, WMT and MCD seem do be doing good business in a bad environment.

What kind of product could automan produce that would get the most buy in from customers?  I don't know for sure, but I think by focusing on a low cost model first, its more logical that you'd get more buy in.  Later as time goes on, you have essentially increased your base for those who might then desire higher end/margin models.

automan, probably knows best for his product.  Different products will have different approaches.  I noticed that Tesla Motors is focusing on the high end model first to get started, with the plan to produce cheaper models later.

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Re: My next business [Re: GnosticWarrior]
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GnosticWarrior said:
What kind of product could automan produce that would get the most buy in from customers?  I don't know for sure, but I think by focusing on a low cost model first, its more logical that you'd get more buy in.  Later as time goes on, you have essentially increased your base for those who might then desire higher end/margin models.




That is actually what I plan on doing. I have designed the neck in a way that I can attach one universal neck to an assortment of body designs. Some look like that instrument above, some look like lutes, some like mandolins, and some like guitars. The beauty of it is that they all use the exact same neck. I would rather have a low cost product that is accessable to a greater number of people than something people have to commit more of a portion of their limited income.

I have built custom guitars and basses for people that start at $3,000. That is not what I am trying to accomplish with this endevour. I am trying to bring a little music to evveryone.


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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OK, seems like I am getting a TON of interest on this in PMs and IRC. I now have distributors in San Diego, CA; Los Angeles, CA; San Francisco, CA; and Phoenix, AZ. If anyone else lives in a large-ish city or on a coast and wants to help distribute these instruments, respond here or shoot me a PM. I would like to focus on the coasts and vacation destinations until this thing is fully launched. I prefer people that have a good track record here on the shroomery in terms of being active since I will be sending each distributor around 10 instruments free of charge to give away to prospective Mom and Pop retailers.

Thanks for all the interest everyone!


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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see first post for updates to the distributor list


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Re: My next business [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
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Yeah, a lot more people are probably going to buy something for $15 than $125, but you are only going to sell them ONE, and the profit on $15 is a LOT less than the profit on $125.



that may be true, but you will sell many more for $15 than $125, making total profits higher.



You would have to sell WAY more.

This works for Walmart and Macdonalds because they have a HUGE customer base and they carry generic shit that EVERYONE can buy. What he is selling now is a niche product with a small customer base.

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Re: My next business [Re: kidaihuan]
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I guess we will find out!

:smile:


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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The point here is to make some money while spreading music to kids though, right?  So it only needs to generate enough money to replace what she'd be doing if she wasn't spreading music to kids.

You can't apply traditional business models to socially conscious enterprise.  In this case the goal is not to bring in the most $, but to get out the most instruments. If I understand it correctly.

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Re: My next business [Re: Srirachi]
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You understand the idea perfectly. :smile:


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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Given the price point, I wouldn't be too terribly surprised to see this instrument in Walmart some day.


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Re: My next business [Re: geokills]
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If that happened, I bet I could stock thousands of elementary schools with free instruments. :o

Imagine how many lives that would change to get so many kids interested in music at such a young age.


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Re: My next business [Re: automan]
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Good design day for the instruments. I have been going back and forth on the finish of the instruments. I kept running into issues like finish build up in seams, the need to wet sand and buff out the finish to get it flat, humidity in the air causing a cloudy top coat, etc. Not to mention that the finishing time is eating way into the total time it takes to complete an instrument pushing it up to 24 minutes, which I need to keep below 12 minutes to make the project cost effective at the price point I want to attain. Instead of going at it again with laquer or poly, I tried to step outside the box and look at the problem again. My target customers are 2nd-6th graders... or more importantly the parents and grandparents of 2nd to 6th graders. The price is right, but kids that age are apt to destroy a good finish on an instrument.

Solution: Chalkboard Paint

Here is a finish that can go on in 2 coats taking about 30 seconds per coat. Once on and dry, it turns the outside of the instrument into a chalkboard that kids can color on when they don't want to play it.

Added cost of the new  finish: $0.28
Minus cost of original finish: $0.21
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Net increase in instrument cost: $0.07
Net time saved per instrument: 10 minutes

This is a win from every angle from marketing to design to cost per piece.

On other fronts, I have generously been offered help in getting this project off the ground much sooner that I could have on my own. I could feasably go into my first production run towards the end of next week producing my first 50 instruments. I have also been given free webhosting for the project by an awesome long time friend that runs a few websites that have proven very successful.

Very soon I will have instruments in the hands of kids and that feels great. I'll take pictures of the shop once it is finished. i want to complete the finishing area this week which will consist of 50 hanging hooks that I can hang completed instruments on (by a hook through a tuner hole) and go down the line painting in an assembly line fashion. I also want to build out all the jigs and clamping presses so that I will have the capability of clamping 50 mitered cornered instruments at a time without having to purchase 200 clamps at $10 a pop (which isnt feasable.) They will consist of rectangular edges with long rods going through, threaded at the ends, with bolts and washers. That should cost me about $50 and a day's time to build which is a hell of a lot better than two grand.

Words of wisdom to others thinking about starting a business:
1) Write out a business plan. Even if you don't need a loan, it will be the written road map to how you will run your business.
2) Put together a real budget and stick to it. Factor in parts, marketing, gasoline to drive to prospective buys or pick up parts, all incurred bills, etc. Once you have spent an agonizing week or two thinking of every bill or possible out-go of money and factored them all in... add 20%. You can easily count on 20% more money going out that the best planned project. More if you didnt plan it all out.
3) Use your ingenuity. From above, I could have let the project die or raise the price so far to put myself out of business before I started, but I think outside the box and so can you. I could've dropped $2,000 in clamps because I *needed* them, but I didn't. I came up with a solution that costs $50 and a day of my time.
4) See the whole process in your head before you ever start. I built this instrument thousands of times in my head before I ever tried to build one. In doing so, I found many things I had questions about and solved them before I ever cut a single piece of wood.


I hope this is helping or inspiring others that are thinking about starting a business. If you are built for it, there aren't many things better. How do you know if you are built for it? You feel it with every fiber of your being.


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