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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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Where are your Predictions Zap???


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate.


Proposing an alternate, dissenting viewpoint with justification and information to back it up, engaging in viewpoints that doubt my own is not debate? :strokebeard:


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  All you do is prattle on about how he is going to win.


Incorrect. I cite information that is easily obtained and put forth lines of reasoning assembled from this information. Feel free to continue this attempt to marginalize me - you aren't providing anything of substance and are simply playing into an expressed sentiment regarding my attitude, which, at worst, is nowhere near as zealous as your own. :wink:

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  Soon you will be proven to be as irrelevant and out of touch as he is.  Oh yeah, I forgot, Ron Paul touches little children inappropriately.  That is about as substantive and serious as your blather about his chances.


Uh, no it isn't. Feel free to discredit any information I've put forth that I use to support my viewpoint, instead of making shit up and trying to fly some "this is just as baseless as what you say" strawman. :rolleyes:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
Maybe when Fred places at least 3rd tonight in Iowa and Ron places at least 3rd in New Hampshire the MSM will start notice them......


Fred Thompson would be a lot better candidate if he would have actually campaigned, and he probably receives more respect from Ron Paul supporters than any other candidate....

But it sounds like he's about ready to drop out of the whole thing. :shrug: I'm hoping he'll hold on until after New Hampshire to keep John McCain from rising further... we need this race as split as we can for now....


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
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Republicans

Huckabee
Paul
Romney
McCain
Thompson
Giuliani



Democrats:

Obama
Edwards
Clinton
Richardson
Biden

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: mr_pat]
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:thumbup:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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yep, and IMO this has already been the most interesting election Ive followed so far.

My wife will not even let me talk about Iowa in the house anymore.:grin:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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Nowhere, they are both too close. Also almost meaningless. That these two twatwallader states that nobody lives in get all this attention and supposedly Set the Tone is utterly ludicrous and allows for virtually limitless blowhardery by pinhead pundits. That said, I see a McCain resurgence and Romney strength and Huckabee distraction. Giuliani has, wisely or not, opted not to fight battles he can't win. Thompson will have his appeal, I'm just not sure that he is perceived as serious enough. Dems? Obama Clinton Edwards. All almost tied and the order of no consequence. It's fucking Iowa, fer chrissakes, who gives a shit?


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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i hear ya, but nobody who has ever finished worse than third in IOWA has gotten the nomination. ...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
zappaisgod said:
What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate.


Proposing an alternate, dissenting viewpoint with justification and information to back it up, engaging in viewpoints that doubt my own is not debate? :strokebeard:



Repeating delusional nonsense without backing it up while denying the validity of endless amounts of contradictory information is in fact NOT debate.  Your only method of debate seems to be to deny the validity of almost every single poll.  That is not debate, it is blather.  Making stupid predictions is dangerous, I hope.  Like I asked, if the moron doesn't come anywhere near a win in either state will you shut the fuck up?  And admit your asshattery?


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
i hear ya, but nobody who has ever finished worse than third in IOWA has gotten the nomination. ...


Interesting but meaningless. I do think the Republican nomination will most certainly not be decided by the primaries.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
  That these two twatwallader states that nobody lives in get all this attention and supposedly Set the Tone is utterly ludicrous and allows for virtually limitless blowhardery by pinhead pundits.


It also gives every candidate a good chance to campaign and reach the American people, instead of proposals I've heard of having the entire nation have their primaries and caucuses at once, ensuring only the rich elite have a chance of being president. The pinhead pundits enabling is a point well taken, but they are only given as much merit as people choose to give them. This race is proof enough that they don't really matter so much anymore. :thumbup:

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  That said, I see a McCain resurgence and Romney strength and Huckabee distraction.  Giuliani has, wisely or not, opted not to fight battles he can't win.  Thompson will have his appeal, I'm just not sure that he is perceived as serious enough.


Good perceptions, although I doubt Romney's strength and lean towards "not" for Giuliani. :smirk: Thompson has given too much credit to the view that he is going to drop out to receive much support.

You seem opposed to putting any stock in Paul, I am the anti-thesis to that, but I really do sense a perfect storm for him if everything sails along. :wink:

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  Dems?  Obama Clinton Edwards.  All almost tied and the order of no consequence.  It's fucking Iowa, fer chrissakes, who gives a shit?


I'm hoping Clinton takes Obama out, because he'll pose much more threat to Ron Paul in a general election than Clinton will, as he plays to the same demographics as Ron Paul, and his support is likely below the register as well.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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I doubt anyone on the Democratic side is going to be "knocked out" after Iowa, except for those who are already out for all intents and purposes. (Dodd/Biden)

At any rate, things will be close enough that all of the big three will be on the next rounds...


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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IMO both the parties nominations could very well end in Brokered Conventions.:eek:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Repeating delusional nonsense without backing it up while denying the validity of endless amounts of contradictory information is in fact NOT debate.


I've backed it up; you simply do not put the same merit into what I've backed it up with. Seems pretty commonplace in a debate. :shrug:

Endless amounts of contradictory information? I haven't seen it put forth yet.

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  Your only method of debate seems to be to deny the validity of almost every single poll.  That is not debate, it is blather.


I don't deny the validity of every single poll. I think that the nature of the polls are such that they are inherently incapable of registering Ron Paul's support. This is a common view, recognized in the mainstream media, even. It is based in fact - the only question is to which extent his support is not represented.

You seem to hail the objective supremacy of polls, I do not. This doesn't mean I'm not engaging in debate. What you are proposing is no different than a Christian discounting the dissent of another because they don't hold the Bible up as objective truth. What you are proposing is pretty damn dubious.

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  Making stupid predictions is dangerous, I hope.


McDanger is my last name. :naughty:

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  Like I asked, if the moron doesn't come anywhere near a win in either state will you shut the fuck up?  And admit your asshattery?


I already said that it goes without saying. :tongue:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Other thread, I hadn't yet seen the answer. And to this I shout out Hallelujah.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Ive always thought the polls were full of shit until 2006. (Dem's took house and senate)

but its been two years of eating crow and now i believe the polls are full of shit again!!!!!!


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/03/mccain-irked-by-ron-paul_n_79576.html

Marc Cooper
The Huffington Post
McCain Irked By Ron Paul the Spoiler
January 3, 2008 03:08 PM


Des Moines, Iowa - GOP presidential candidate John McCain is deeply worried that his resurgent national campaign may be stalled by a relatively strong showing in tonight's Iowa caucuses by the iconoclastic Ron Paul.

The Arizona senator's campaign told the HuffPost that their candidate is concerned that Paul will finish third behind front-runners Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.

McCain, whose campaign floundered earlier in the year, has been showing renewed strength in the battle to win the key New Hampshire primary next week. His national numbers have also been rising and one respected poll now has him in first place..

The McCain campaign also gives former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, currently leading the Iowa Republican polls, little chance of surviving New Hampshire even if he scores a clear victory in tonight's caucuses. The fight for the GOP nomination, McCain strategists believe, should be a head-to-head showdown between McCain and Mitt Romney.

A strong showing by Paul tonight could severely damage McCain's overall strategy. McCain is said to be especially irked because the outsider campaign of the Texas Congressman is given little viability on a national scale. But Paul raised $20 million from his fervent supporters in the last quarter of 2007, enough money to act as a spoiler for more mainstream candidates like McCain.

"Ron Paul's like the Joker in a poker game," said one McCain staffer. Paul reportedly dropped three mailers overnight and kicked his phone banks into turbo-mode in an all-out push to make into the final tier of tonight's winners.

Both McCain and Paul are currently tied at about 10% in most polls of likely Iowa caucus-goers. McCain has not actively campaigned in Iowa and skipped last summer's Republican Straw Poll. His visit to the state today just hours before the caucuses was one of his rare campaign trips here.

As Paul greeted his volunteers this morning at his downtown headquarters, the HuffPost asked for the candidate's reaction to McCain's anger: "I'm excited he's so upset about me."


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I feel bad for Saigon John.

I honestly feel that he'd do very well in a general election against any Democrat in any year. But he just cannot get past these primaries. I understand that most of the Republicans think that he's a liberal in conservatives clothing, but whatever you think about the man, he has character. Can you really say that about any of these other moolakhs?

He has to be wondering when he'll get his shot, but if it doesn't happen this year I dont see it happening at all.

Saigon John and Colin Powell are the only two Republicans I could ever see myself voting for, and I'll likely never get the chance to vote for either of them.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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when do we find out the results tonight? i cant wait!:cool:


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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I was curious about that too.

With the way this democratic caucus is set up, I cant imagine that results will come in very fast...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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