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BrAiN
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
#7831927 - 01/04/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Nobody SKIPS a pimary. Everyone in Iowa knows who Rudy is and had the chance to vote for him.
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Madtowntripper
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
#7831963 - 01/04/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Phred said:
I'm sure Paul's belief in creationism, for example, gave him some street cred with that group he won't get from others.
Phred
Is he really a Jesus-Freak Creationist?
That can't be true, can it? Don't you have to have some belief in evolution and rationality to be a medical doctor?
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Not in Texas.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: johnm214]
#7832002 - 01/04/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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johnm214 said: hey yo
all where the expectations are...
I don't expect Paul to win.
I would LOVE to see him get 10% average in rep. primaries.
Stop hating...
Ron Paul will rock you like a hurricane

edit: screenshot from on or about August 13th, 2007
How funny!!
Complete and actual Iowa Straw Poll results
1. Mitt Romney - 4516 votes - 31%
2. Mike Huckabee - 2587 votes - 18.1%
3. Sam Brownback - 2192 votes - 15.3%
5. Ron Paul - 1305 votes - 9.1%
6. Tommy Thompson - 1,009 votes - 7.3%
7. Fred Thomson with 231 votes
8. Rudy Giuliani with 183 votes
9. Duncan Hunter with 174 votes
10. John McCain with 101 votes
11. John Cox with 41 votes
Paul came in 5th out of 11 with 9% and Fox left him out of that chart.
Perfect example of what we are trying to tell you Phred. Considering where Paul has been blacked out by the media, as if he doesn't even exist, he did good in Iowa with 10%
With Fred and McCain tied at 13% and Paul being at 10% that isn't a wide margin between the three.
If the pre caucus polls had Paul at 7% of the vote and he finished with 10% of the vote, Paul did well coming out compared to going in.
Of course if you compare him to Mitt or Huck he did shitty.
It's too early in this game for that though. Paul is on the rise, with a large war chest to take him through super Tuesday and we still have a long way to go.
Huck and Mitt got all of the media attention for it and they were as a result in the upper 20s and 30s.
If that trend continues, it will be safe to say that the media does elect our Presidents for us.
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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (01/04/08 01:51 PM)
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Gijith]
#7832009 - 01/04/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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not anywhere, what does evolution matter (talking on the macro scale here) to being a doctor?
I don't care if he believes in pink elephants. I'd rather have a man that believes there is a proper division between government and personal morality than one who happens to mesh w/ my ideals and wish to impose them on everyone.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: johnm214]
#7832043 - 01/04/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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In my last reply I was wrong about Paul coming in 6th with 7% in the straw poll. He came in 5th out of 11 with 9% in that one. I added the complete actual results. Look at what Fox showed America by comparison.
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fuck fox news...
they talked and talked about McCain's Surge and only asked why hasn't Fred dropped out????....Fred Technically beat McCain!!!!
Its truly unfair.:(
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McCain didn't campaign in Iowa either. He and Rudy skipped the cornhole kings entirely.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
#7832244 - 01/04/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: McCain didn't campaign in Iowa either. He and Rudy skipped the cornhole kings entirely.
McCain in total over the last 6 months has spent a few weeks campaigning in Iowa. Thats about the same amount of total time Paul has. Only difference being Paul did enter their straw poll and recently ran a few commercial ads there.
Paul has been spending most of his campaigning time in NH, Nevada, California and Texas. A little bit in Boston, NY, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Chicago, and SC.
I said I wasn't to sure about Rudy's strategy and i have been questioning Paul's all the way as well.
I am pretty miffed that with Florida's primary only 3 and 1/2 weeks away, Paul hasn't spent any time or money campaigning here. This is a prime state for him to do well in with gun rights, immigration, the evangelicals, low taxes, home schoolers/crappy Dept of education and property rights issues.
I think his campaign staff SUCKs!!!! He has a lot of large meet up groups here that have been busting butt for him to pick up the large slack. Florida is winner take all though. It's a great state to take too.
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Ya know, you can say Ron Paul is a creationist but I hardly believe that. the man was an OB/GYN doctor delivering babies and I'm sure as hell think he believes that if some of the garbage that's getting pregnant should be allowed to get an abortion if they so please. Abortion is just something to talk about, they could never ban it and if they did then I'll be mighty shocked.
If anything, he would take the federal government's ruling of abortion out of all the states and let the states decide on whether abortions should be legal or not. Whether they want to conduct stem cell research or not. This is pure speculation based on what Paul is preaching but who knows. I'd rather have abortion widespread in california with research full blast, while Nevada is outlawed. Shit, all you'd have to do is drive over to the next state so what's the big deal? On top of that, we could be so much more productive with these states experimenting with various ways of governing themselves in a way that others may catch on.. Instead, we have the federal government saying all or nothing which might as well be like reading from the bible.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Cracka_X]
#7834583 - 01/05/08 06:21 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Asked to Ron Paul...
"Do you support the Roe v. Wade decision or would you like to see this decision overturned? Why or why not? Roe v. Wade nationalized the issue of abortion, and it has ripped our country apart ever since. I support taking jurisdiction over abortion law away from federal courts and allowing the states to set their own abortion policies, effectively overturning Roe v. Wade without a new Supreme Court decision. Because the Constitution neither gives the president nor Congress any authority to act in these areas, I will abide by the decision of each state and will not seek to interfere."
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/issues/candidates/ron-paul/#abortion
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Cracka_X]
#7834710 - 01/05/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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You guys do realize that he seeks to have the whole "Right to Privacy" invention, which is the hook on which Roe is hung, overturned, don't you? I daresay he would probably like to see the end of Miranda as well. Look out Texan dope fiends.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
#7834750 - 01/05/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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But he'll make drugs legal and give us our freedom back!
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zappaisgod
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Le_Canard]
#7834773 - 01/05/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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That doesn't happen to be one of the powers of the President.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
#7834788 - 01/05/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Oh, I know. Just making fun of the rabid Paulites here.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Le_Canard]
#7835093 - 01/05/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Oh, I know. Just making fun of the rabid Paulites here.
drugz are bad hmmmmmkay.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
#7835123 - 01/05/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Phred said:
I'm sure Paul's belief in creationism, for example, gave him some street cred with that group he won't get from others.
Phred
You'd do well to cite where you got such facts, otherwise you'd just look like an asshole out to slander someone....oops
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Minstrel]
#7835262 - 01/05/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hey now.. the president can propose laws as well.... they just don't do it that often
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
#7835313 - 01/05/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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I assume that was for me and not Minstrel. He can propose all the laws he wants. He can't make the Congress pass them.
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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
#7835338 - 01/05/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 27 days ago) |
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at the federal level at least, he can refuse to enforce them... he runs the justice dept afterall (through attorney general at least, and can fire US Attorneys at will)
He allready said he wouldn't enforce marijuana laws against anyone, and would surely follow the same outlook w/ other drugs... though I can see a role for the DEA in stopping imported drugs, and drugs transported from state to state
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