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Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!)
    #7758594 - 12/14/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Presidential candidates Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee hold 9-point leads in Iowa with less than three weeks to go before the Jan. 3 caucuses, according to a new poll conducted for the Quad-City Times and other Lee Enterprises newspapers.

The poll, conducted with 500 likely caucus-goers from Dec. 10 through Dec. 13, said Obama, a senator from Illinois, led in the Democratic race with 33 percent, followed by Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, who had 24 percent each.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was next with 9 percent, followed by Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., with 3 percent and Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, with 1 percent each.

Five percent said they were undecided.

In the Republican race, Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, led former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by 31 percent to 22 percent, according to the poll.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee were next with 9 percent each, followed by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas. They each had 7 percent.

Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., had 2 percent and 1 percent, respectively.

Twelve percent of the Republican respondents said they were undecided.

The poll also indicated an unsettled electorate, with 23 percent of Democrats and 34 percent of Republicans saying they were likely or very likely to change their minds before the caucuses. Only a third of Democrats, 33 percent, and just more than a quarter of Republicans, 27 percent, said they were not at all likely to change their minds. The rest, 44 percent on the Democratic side and 39 percent on the Republican side, said they are not very likely to change.

The poll, which was conducted by Maryland-based Research 2000, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percent. Respondents voted in the 2004 and 2006 elections and said they were definitely or almost certain to vote in the caucuses.

The poll is just the latest in a series of surveys that have sought to measure the sentiment among Iowa’s electorate in a hyper-competitive presidential primary season. Other polls have shown Obama and Huckabee leading or moving up.


http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/12/14/news/local/doc4762b62922c47155272760.txt


Obama 33

Clinton 24

Edwards 24





Huckabee, 31

Romney 22

Rudy 9

Fred 9

Ron Paul 7

McCain 7


Huck vs. Barack matchup????????????


I will vote for osama obama before i vote for that fucking idiot Huckabee!!!!!


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7758632 - 12/14/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this is bullshit.

Ron Paul owns the shit out of all of these people.

u.s. population breakdown (wikipedia):

# White alone: 74.7% or about 215.3 million
# Black or African American alone: 12.1% or 35.0 million
# Asian American alone: 4.3% or 12.5 million

isn't the president supposed to represent the majority.. not only in ideology but more shallowly and specifically.. skin color?

i bet the white nationalist community is goin ape shit.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7758663 - 12/14/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yay for rudy going down! yay for hillary going down!


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7758671 - 12/14/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

obama is half white but he never admits it,

and huck has the Jesus folks fooled!

this is a bad start......


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7758687 - 12/14/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As much hatred as I see directed at Huckabee from pretty much anybody and everybody, I am wondering if the same media manipulations that stifle certain candidates aren't pushing Huckabee to make him look as if he is doing better than he is.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Seuss]
    #7758704 - 12/14/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure they are!

Obama would thrash huckabee. and the Reps would lose a half dozen senate seats!


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7758723 - 12/14/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7758804 - 12/14/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think Ron Paul is the most electable out of any of the Republican candidates. It's just getting him past the primary that's the challenge..


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #7769127 - 12/17/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seuss and Lonestar,

I had the same thought the other day. Huckabee is definitely one of the few opponents Obama could handle.


But I still think my McCain prediction will go the distance. Now if only my Biden one would.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Gijith]
    #7769237 - 12/17/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gobama.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7772191 - 12/17/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

holy shit, i really fucking hope even the die hard republicans on here cant be for this crazy asshole huckabee. he is a much crazier religious kook than even bush


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7772218 - 12/17/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking Huckabee has the Gomer Pyle vote sewed up fo' shore! :thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Seuss]
    #7772626 - 12/18/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
As much hatred as I see directed at Huckabee from pretty much anybody and everybody, I am wondering if the same media manipulations that stifle certain candidates aren't pushing Huckabee to make him look as if he is doing better than he is.




Well, the man has no real supporters, and no money, and he definitely doesn't have any kind of stance on the issues that can get him elected... so its very possible that the liberal-leaning media are boosting him because he's essentially a Democrat in disguise...

I mean, he was building some support in Iowa, and when Brownback was edged out, he sucked up all of his evangelical support in the state, but Huckabee surged nationally overnight, right after the CNN debate.... :strokebeard:

If anything, it shows how unsettled this primary race is. The Republicans have no clue who they are going to support, for the most part. Once again, I'm going to go out on a reasonable limb and suggest that there is nothing that is really keeping Ron Paul from being a top contender for the nomination. :smile:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7772710 - 12/18/07 02:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Except for the little fact that your average republican is philosophically 180 degrees opposed to his world view. :shrug:




Ahh, are you sure about that? :sherlock:

What you really need to look at, in this case, is the political atmosphere in general, how the American people feel right now.

From what I have read, the active base of the Republican party, those who are involved in furthering the Republican party, doing the grass-roots work, and everything, have been upset with their party being hiijacked by the neo-conservatives.

Sure, you might have some average Americans who vote Republican because they watch Fox News, and may have sold on this new concept of pre-emptive war, but we're talking about the Republican party itself here, the individuals who are actually participating in it.

You don't have any real, active grass-roots organization pushing for Huckabee, or Romney, or Giuliani. Ron Paul is the only force out there, beyond the Internet, beyond the tv, out on the streets. I'm certain to think that its the Republicans out there, running this grass-roots organization. Who they have attracted is the new generation, emerging into politics. If the Republicans don't unify around Ron Paul, the only candidate that they really could, and have any chance of existing in the federal government in the next 4-8 years, I think their base support, these older people, will begin to die off, and the party will go extinct.

You can see the Republican party having a split vote between Giuliani, Romney, and Huckabee. What we see, is John McCain splitting off and running as an Independent, with Joe Liebermen. What we see, is Michael Bloomberg entering as an Independent, with $2 billion to spend, with no chance of winning. Why not? Because he's entering in after Super Tuesday, suspossedly..... how is he going to have enough delegates? He's entering to sway the election.... hopefully not to Hillary Clinton? I don't know who he would help, but she would seem likely, some kind of New York City power-brokerage deal...

And Ron Paul? He might be considered by the media to not have any chances, but his real-world support has given him enough donations to maintain his candicacy up to Super Tuesday, even if he doesn't place well in early primary states. He's receiving influential air-time in the MSM, an hour on the Glenn Beck show next week, for example. He has a blimp in the air. :smirk: People might try to say that Ron Paul is simply an Internet phenomenon, but what people forget is that the Internet is the real-world. The Internet might be the greatest tool of the Ron Paul movement, but what the media misses in signing it off as of the Internet is that there are hundreds of meetup groups, there are thousands of involved supporters...

Ron Paul's supporters might all have the Internet in common, but what the media misses in its limited perspective is that all of these people, exist in the real-world as well. We all have jobs, or school. We all have a real-life that we live. We socially network off the Internet as well. I have 10-15 people at work that I have been observing through discussing the issues in general, and gauging what to say to bring them in.... These groups are out in the streets, they are going door to door, they are paying for television advertising in early primary states, in addition to the campaign!

The attitude now, from the experience of the two money-bombs, is that we can benefit much more from forgetting about the media. The Revolution won't be televised. Of course, as the next few weeks progress, Ron Paul will become more and more prominent in the media. He's flying around in a private jet now, to meet the demands of all of the traveling that the requests for his presence are requiring. Not only that, but its sustainable, because he actually has money to spend, most of the other Republican candidates cannot say that.

Most people say its not only about the money, but the money is a great tool. You can look at each candidate as a corporation, those who donate are investing. Ron Paul seems like the best investment, considering how many people are investing in him. :smirk:

So yeah, Vote Ron Paul! :rofl2: :bongload:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7772719 - 12/18/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also, did anyone see Tim Russert give Mitt Romney a very skeptical, rough time? :smirk:

I can't wait to see Ron Paul on there! :smile: He can handle anything well.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7772736 - 12/18/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I mean, the simple fact is that Fred Thompson and John McCain will have to throw in the towel if they do not place well in any of the first primaries, which they won't, and surely Hunter and Tancredo will be gone. That alone positions Ron Paul in a more favorable position. The only real question is if he can contend with Huckabee, Romney, and Giuliani. His overwhelming, consistent experience in Congress, standing for the issues that the majority of Americans are deeply concerned about right now, certainly gives him that edge, and so does his grass-roots organization and his record fund-raising. Anyone who thinks that the media won't eventually accept him as a legitimate candidate really isn't watching.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7772951 - 12/18/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Huckabee is Jimmy Carter with an "R" next to his name instead of a "D", and if elected he'd be every bit as bad (possibly worse, given today's big issues) for the country as Carter was.

If I were an American faced with Huckabee as the Republican candidate, I'd have to vote for pretty much anyone the Dems had chosen. Obama, Edwards... even Hillary. I'd feel dirty for months afterwards, of course, but I'd still do it.




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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Phred]
    #7773018 - 12/18/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly. This guy is a psychopath. :shocked:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7773022 - 12/18/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I love this cover from this past Sunday's NYTimes magazine:



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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7773051 - 12/18/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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From what I have read, the active base of the Republican party, those who are involved in furthering the Republican party, doing the grass-roots work, and everything, have been upset with their party being hiijacked by the neo-conservatives.




Don't believe everything you read. My family has been involved in grass roots Republican activities for over thirty years so this is an area I know very well. The "group" you describe is a tiny one and I have yet to personally meet one of its members.

The next time anyone spots one of these rare birds they should snap a photo and post their picture here.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Phred]
    #7774737 - 12/18/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Huckabee is Jimmy Carter with an "R" next to his name instead of a "D", and if elected he'd be every bit as bad (possibly worse, given today's big issues) for the country as Carter was.

If I were an American faced with Huckabee as the Republican candidate, I'd have to vote for pretty much anyone the Dems had chosen. Obama, Edwards... even Hillary. I'd feel dirty for months afterwards, of course, but I'd still do it.




Phred




I said essentially the exact same thing in another thread. If we're going to have a tax and spend liberal as president it must be attached to the Democrat party just for future considerations. Not to worry. He really has no more chance of actually winning than the idiot Ron Paul.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7774934 - 12/18/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

New Iowa poll EDWARDS LEADS IN IOWA


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/18/524511.aspx

In an InsiderAdvantage poll in Iowa, Edwards leads among (977) likely voters 30-26-24 over Clinton and Obama. Edwards is also the clear second choice winner, 42-29-28 over Clinton and Obama. This is the first poll to show Edwards solely in the lead in Iowa since July.


On the Republican side, among (833) likely voters, here are the numbers: Huckabee 28, Romney 25, Thompson 10, McCain 9, Paul 6, Giuliani 6. Among (418)  highly likely voters, Romney leads with 28%, then Huckabee 25, Thompson 11, McCain 7, Paul 6, Giuliani 5, Tancredo 4.


Hey Zap whats up with your boy Julianie 5% vs Ron Paul 6% :grin:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7775026 - 12/18/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey Zap whats up with your boy Julianie 5% vs Ron Paul 6% :grin:




In Iowa?  You have to ask?  Shithole state that nobody would give two shits about if it wasn't first.  God-bothering retards on the R side and librarians on the D side.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7775437 - 12/18/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hhhm... so which state does Giuliani seek to win? He certainly doesn't stand a chance in New Hampshire either... Very doubtful for South Carolina... He doesn't even lead Florida anymore, and that was his strategy.... see you later Giuliani, enjoy your stay at the museum of 2001. :bye:


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7775447 - 12/18/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Someone want to give me a history lesson and explain why this state was given so much power?

If these assholes lead us to a Edwards / Huckabee election, I might have to kill myself.


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Re: Obama, Huckabee lead new Iowa poll (Both up 9 POINTS!) [Re: Gijith]
    #7775475 - 12/18/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

New Hampshire is a nice counter-balance to Iowa, so don't think whoever wins Iowa has free reign upon all the states. Someone who places well in both, however, should have a good chance of continuing that success. :smile:


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