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iowa caucus results
    #7829460 - 01/03/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

So Ron Paul did pretty well... I went in with low hopes, but he managed to pull out 10%... 5th just barely behind Thompson and McCain.

He beat Guliani who got a measley 4%.. but I don't think it says much... Guliani probably isn't goin to do well in midwest states.

I'm suprised we give so much weight to Iowa, Wisconsin, and NH who have shit for electoraral votes. People need to ignore these stupid ass primaries and just focus on the ones for the BIG states like TX,CA,NY,FL,OH


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7829511 - 01/03/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)




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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7829517 - 01/03/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

So much weight put into a state who has less electoral votes than my testicles.

If you think about it.. the SWING states like OH and FL should be the ones ppl focus on. These are the states that decide presidents.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7829522 - 01/03/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I like that we start off with such a small state. I just wish it wasn't full of farmers.


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Re: Iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7829526 - 01/03/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

yep.

but these first states act like Domino's.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7829530 - 01/03/08 08:53 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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BrAiN said:
So Ron Paul did pretty well... I went in with low hopes, but he managed to pull out 10%... 5th just barely behind Thompson and McCain.

He beat Guliani who got a measley 4%.. but I don't think it says much... Guliani probably isn't goin to do well in midwest states.





I was surprised to see that Ron Paul beat Guliani by more percentage points than he(Guliani) received. Hopefully the trend keeps going in the direction it is in Iowa. I would like to have seen Edwards beat Hillary by at least 1 percentage point. But oh well. I think if Edwards had the kind of cash the Clinton campaign has he would be doing better.
Republicans... Aside from Rudy only getting %4 I wasn't surprised. As big a supporter of Ron Paul's as I am I don't expect him to get the nomination; although I'll be voting for him. It's just nice to see Jesus is an alien Romney not getting top spot.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Gijith]
    #7829533 - 01/03/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Gijith said:
I like that we start off with such a small state. I just wish it wasn't full of farmers.




Yea... Huckabee is the noise most Iowans make when they laugh through their missing teeth... that's why he won


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Re: Iowa caucus results [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7829827 - 01/03/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
yep.

but these first states act like Domino's.




Domino's what?


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Re: Iowa caucus results [Re: afoaf]
    #7829901 - 01/03/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)



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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7830338 - 01/03/08 11:55 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Sooooooo Iowa wants Huckabee and Obama? Fine, they can keep them.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7830544 - 01/04/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

I live in WI...:(

Lol, fuck Obama I'm looking at his stupid face on Fox News as we speak....


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Brain Fart]
    #7830549 - 01/04/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Ahh Goddamnit Hillary got 29%

That's it this calls for a new thread..


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7830753 - 01/04/08 05:12 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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So Ron Paul did pretty well...




"Pretty well"? How on earth do you figure that? Yeah... he beat Giuliani, but only because Giuliani completely ignored Iowa.

Paul might break into double digits again in New Hampshire - because there are probably more Libertarians per capita in NH than any other state in the country - but that'll be the last time we see him in any spot other than last place.



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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7830858 - 01/04/08 06:58 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

OSAMA AND HUCKSTERBEE WIN BIG AMONG CORN FARMERS.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831281 - 01/04/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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So Ron Paul did pretty well...




"Pretty well"? How on earth do you figure that? Yeah... he beat Giuliani, but only because Giuliani completely ignored Iowa.

Paul might break into double digits again in New Hampshire - because there are probably more Libertarians per capita in NH than any other state in the country - but that'll be the last time we see him in any spot other than last place.



Phred




pretty well as in broke in to the double digits and was RIGHT behind mccain and thompson.


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Re: Iowa caucus results [Re: afoaf]
    #7831350 - 01/04/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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afoaf said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
yep.

but these first states act like Domino's.




Domino's what?





Dominoes :wink:


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831605 - 01/04/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Phred,

Big media Hype for Thompson and McCain did 13% each, and the crazy guy the media shreds in his weakest state, where he spent little time compared to the rest except for Rudy, did 10%.

Paul is also the ONLY one that took a whole county except for Mitt and Huck. It was Jefferson County he won. Thompson and McCain didn;t win in any county.

Some people might see that as pretty well. He also did 34% higher then the pre caucus polls gave him.

Hunter will always come in last.

Paul is going to show higher when we get to Western states like Nevada, California, Washington, Hawaii, Texas, Colorado, and even in Michigan, Virginia, NH, and Florida to name a few.

Considering how much the media has shredded on him, what little time and poor questions he gets in the debates and that most of the media except for Cafferty and Tucker wants him to go away, anything Paul does over 1% is pretty well.

If Paul did shitty at 10%, then so did McCain and Thompson at 13% as well as Giuliani at 4% and Hunter at 0%

This was Iowa. Even Bill O'Rielly said that the Iowa Caucus is nothing more then a media spectacle and means nothing. I think only two people that won Iowa went on to become the President.

After Super Tuesday we'll have a clearer idea of where everyone truly stands.

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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7831801 - 01/04/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

He came last except for Giuliani -- who skipped Iowa completely -- and Hunter, who as even you acknowledge has no chance and should have dropped out of the race long ago. He just barely cracked double digits.

I don't see how anyone can categorize this as doing "well", that's all. This was Iowa, after all -- the Children of the Corn are... umm.... special in many ways. I'm sure Paul's belief in creationism, for example, gave him some street cred with that group he won't get from others.

Same with Huckabee -- you won't be seeing Huckabee in the high thirties in California or New York or Florida, for example.



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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831807 - 01/04/08 12:38 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

hey yo

all where the expectations are...

I don't expect Paul to win.

I would LOVE to see him get 10% average in rep. primaries.

Stop hating...

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edit: screenshot from on or about August 13th, 2007


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831872 - 01/04/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Paul has done better than everyone expected.:thumbup:

unfortunately he has no chance, and neither does my boy Fred....

Huckabee will win South Carolina the first BIG primary state. (FUCK!) My only hope now is a Brokered Convention, and we find a real conservative to run against Mohammad.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831927 - 01/04/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Nobody SKIPS a pimary. Everyone in Iowa knows who Rudy is and had the chance to vote for him.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7831963 - 01/04/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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I'm sure Paul's belief in creationism, for example, gave him some street cred with that group he won't get from others.

Phred




Is he really a Jesus-Freak Creationist?

That can't be true, can it? Don't you have to have some belief in evolution and rationality to be a medical doctor?


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7831992 - 01/04/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

Not in Texas.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: johnm214]
    #7832002 - 01/04/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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johnm214 said:
hey yo

all where the expectations are...

I don't expect Paul to win.

I would LOVE to see him get 10% average in rep. primaries.

Stop hating...

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How funny!!

Complete and actual Iowa Straw Poll results

1. Mitt Romney - 4516 votes - 31%

2. Mike Huckabee - 2587 votes - 18.1%


3. Sam Brownback - 2192 votes - 15.3%

5. Ron Paul - 1305 votes - 9.1%


6. Tommy Thompson - 1,009 votes - 7.3%

7. Fred Thomson with 231 votes


8. Rudy Giuliani with 183 votes

9. Duncan Hunter with 174 votes

10. John McCain with 101 votes

11. John Cox with 41 votes



Paul came in 5th out of 11 with 9% and Fox left him out of that chart.

Perfect example of what we are trying to tell you Phred. Considering where Paul has been blacked out by the media, as if he doesn't even exist, he did good in Iowa with 10%

With Fred and McCain tied at 13% and Paul being at 10% that isn't a wide margin between the three.

If the pre caucus polls had Paul at 7% of the vote and he finished with 10% of the vote, Paul did well coming out compared to going in.

Of course if you compare him to Mitt or Huck he did shitty.

It's too early in this game for that though. Paul is on the rise, with a large war chest to take him through super Tuesday and we still have a long way to go.

Huck and Mitt got all of the media attention for it and they were as a result in the upper 20s and 30s.

If that trend continues, it will be safe to say that the media does elect our Presidents for us.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Gijith]
    #7832009 - 01/04/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

not anywhere, what does evolution matter (talking on the macro scale here) to being a doctor?

I don't care if he believes in pink elephants. I'd rather have a man that believes there is a proper division between government and personal morality than one who happens to mesh w/ my ideals and wish to impose them on everyone.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: johnm214]
    #7832043 - 01/04/08 01:52 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

In my last reply I was wrong about Paul coming in 6th with 7% in the straw poll. He came in 5th out of 11 with 9% in that one. I added the complete actual results. Look at what Fox showed America by comparison.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7832113 - 01/04/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

fuck fox news...

they talked and talked about McCain's Surge and only asked why hasn't Fred dropped out????....Fred Technically beat McCain!!!!


Its truly unfair.:(


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7832139 - 01/04/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

McCain didn't campaign in Iowa either. He and Rudy skipped the cornhole kings entirely.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7832244 - 01/04/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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McCain didn't campaign in Iowa either. He and Rudy skipped the cornhole kings entirely.




McCain in total over the last 6 months has spent a few weeks campaigning in Iowa. Thats about the same amount of total time Paul has. Only difference being Paul did enter their straw poll and recently ran a few commercial ads there.

Paul has been spending most of his campaigning time in NH, Nevada, California and Texas. A little bit in Boston, NY, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Chicago, and SC.

I said I wasn't to sure about Rudy's strategy and i have been questioning Paul's all the way as well.

I am pretty miffed that with Florida's primary only 3 and 1/2 weeks away, Paul hasn't spent any time or money campaigning here. This is a prime state for him to do well in with gun rights, immigration, the evangelicals, low taxes, home schoolers/crappy Dept of education and property rights issues.

I think his campaign staff SUCKs!!!! He has a lot of large meet up groups here that have been busting butt for him to pick up the large slack. Florida is winner take all though. It's a great state to take too.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7834411 - 01/05/08 02:53 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Ya know, you can say Ron Paul is a creationist but I hardly believe that.  the man was an OB/GYN doctor delivering babies and I'm sure as hell think he believes that if some of the garbage that's getting pregnant should be allowed to get an abortion if they so please.  Abortion is just something to talk about, they could never ban it and if they did then I'll be mighty shocked.

If anything, he would take the federal government's ruling of abortion out of all the states and let the states decide on whether abortions should be legal or not.  Whether they want to conduct stem cell research or not.  This is pure speculation based on what Paul is preaching but who knows.  I'd rather have abortion widespread in california with research full blast, while Nevada is outlawed.  Shit, all you'd have to do is drive over to the next state so what's the big deal?  On top of that, we could be so much more productive with these states experimenting with various ways of governing themselves in a way that others may catch on.. Instead, we have the federal government saying all or nothing which might as well be like reading from the bible. :rolleyes:


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7834583 - 01/05/08 06:21 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Asked to Ron Paul...

"Do you support the Roe v. Wade decision or would you like to see this decision overturned? Why or why not? Roe v. Wade nationalized the issue of abortion, and it has ripped our country apart ever since. I support taking jurisdiction over abortion law away from federal courts and allowing the states to set their own abortion policies, effectively overturning Roe v. Wade without a new Supreme Court decision. Because the Constitution neither gives the president nor Congress any authority to act in these areas, I will abide by the decision of each state and will not seek to interfere."

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/issues/candidates/ron-paul/#abortion


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7834710 - 01/05/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

You guys do realize that he seeks to have the whole "Right to Privacy" invention, which is the hook on which Roe is hung, overturned, don't you? I daresay he would probably like to see the end of Miranda as well. Look out Texan dope fiends.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7834750 - 01/05/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

But he'll make drugs legal and give us our freedom back! :bitch:


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7834773 - 01/05/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

That doesn't happen to be one of the powers of the President.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7834788 - 01/05/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Oh, I know. Just making fun of the rabid Paulites here. :wink:


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Le_Canard]
    #7835093 - 01/05/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Oh, I know. Just making fun of the rabid Paulites here. :wink:




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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Phred]
    #7835123 - 01/05/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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Phred said:

I'm sure Paul's belief in creationism, for example, gave him some street cred with that group he won't get from others.

Phred




You'd do well to cite where you got such facts, otherwise you'd just look like an asshole out to slander someone....oops


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Minstrel]
    #7835262 - 01/05/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Hey now.. the president can propose laws as well.... they just don't do it that often


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: BrAiN]
    #7835313 - 01/05/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I assume that was for me and not Minstrel. He can propose all the laws he wants. He can't make the Congress pass them.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7835338 - 01/05/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

at the federal level at least, he can refuse to enforce them... he runs the justice dept afterall (through attorney general at least, and can fire US Attorneys at will)

He allready said he wouldn't enforce marijuana laws against anyone, and would surely follow the same outlook w/ other drugs... though I can see a role for the DEA in stopping imported drugs, and drugs transported from state to state


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: johnm214]
    #7835562 - 01/05/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

He would be impeached for failing to carry out the duties of his office. Further, only a tiny portion of drug prosecutions are made by federal courts. Almost all are done by the states, and there is nothing he can do to make that go away.


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7836044 - 01/05/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

oh yeah, I agree w/ you regarding the largely-irrelevant nature of federal decriminilization or legalisation of drugs, but its still the right thing to do... especially for the potheads/sickies in cali and other states getting raided for medical marijuana..... and those who don't want to pay taxes to the govt to lock up drug dealers


Do you have a source for your statement that he could be impeached for not executing the drug laws? I had wondered about that too. I know some states have laws that the sherrif or police chiefs can be prosecuted for failing to enforce the law as written, just wondering if there is any authority compelling the presidenct to enforce laws he doesn't care for?

I'm sure it would be a huge scandal, and the senate can do what they want, but I'm not sure there's legal authority for the prop. that he must enforce all laws- (why not simply defer to the states on every drug prosecution? It's hard to imagine an instance where a federal crime could not be prosecuted under state law, unless in areas of exclusive federal jurisdiction, where there really isn't a constitutional problem w/ fed. drug laws anyways)


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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: Minstrel]
    #7836271 - 01/05/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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You'd do well to cite where you got such facts, otherwise you'd just look like an asshole out to slander someone....oops




It was from the video of one of his appearances on Meet the Press or Fox News Sunday or something like that, where all the Ronulans were crowing that he absolutely slaughtered the interviewer (whom they assumed was hostile to Paul -- was it Chris Matthews?). I honestly can't remember which thread it was in, but I think it might have been one started by gettingjiggywithit, and I don't think it is much older than a couple of weeks.

The problem with finding it is that there are so many damn Ron Paul threads. Seems for the last couple of months at least three out of ten threads have something to do with The Only Man Who Can Save America.




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Re: iowa caucus results [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7836455 - 01/05/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I think there is a pretty solid argument that he couldn't just refuse to enforce drug laws, however; I believe he could certainly direct the justice department not to prosecute when a state has concurent jurisdiction.

From article II sec 3
"...he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States."

Interestingly enough, this is an argument against Bush's use of signing statements as well. But I would imagine both Bush and Paul could say that they must first upheld the constitution- though this likely wouldn't fly as the Supreme Court has allready ruled on the commerce clause in relation to at least pot, and found it covers any drug anywhere, pretty much. The commerce clause really seems meaningless in this regard.


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