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'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK]
    #7507546 - 10/11/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges
October 11, 2007 - BBC

North Wales Police chief constable Richard Brunstrom has said he will be "campaigning hard" for drugs such as heroin to be legalised.

In the past, Mr Brunstrom has said drugs laws are out of date and that the police are engaged in a battle which they cannot win.

He is now campaigning for drugs to be legalised, and for the class A, B and C system to be scrapped.

Mr Brunstrom's suggestions have already been criticised by some politicians.

In a report to be presented to the North Wales Police Authority next Monday, he says the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 should be replaced by a new "Substance Misuse Act".

The chair of the authority, councillor Ian Roberts, said there would be a "full and frank debate" on the issue.

In the report Mr Brunstrom writes: "if policy on drugs is in future to be pragmatic not moralistic, driven by ethics not dogma, then the current prohibitionist stance will have to be swept away as both unworkable and immoral....

"Such a strategy leads inevitably to the legalisation and regulation of all drugs".

His report was prepared in response to the HM Government Consultation paper "Drugs: Our community, your say", and the forthcoming Welsh Assembly Government consultation on the all Wales substance misuse strategy.

The Transform Drug Policy Foundation (TDPF), which describes itself as a charitable think-tank and says drug prohibition is the major cause of drug-related harm to individuals, communities and nations, welcomed Mr Brunstrom's report.

Director Danny Kushlick said: "We are absolutely delighted at Mr Brunstrom's paper.

"The chief constable has displayed great leadership and imagination in very publicly calling for a drug policy that replaces the evident failings of prohibition with a legal system of regulation and control for potentially dangerous drugs".

But MP for Alyn and Deeside Mark Tami said claiming the legalising of heroin to be the only way forward was "blinkered and dangerous".

He said drugs policy was not "black and white" and a more considered approach had to be taken.

He said: "As 280,000 Class A drug users are responsible for half of all crime, taking the risk of legalising such a dangerous drug is foolhardy and I would not wish to gamble so much on the health and wellbeing of our children."

'Deprivation and poverty'

Alyn and Deeside AM Carl Sergeant said a more sustainable solution would be to tackle the causes of drug abuse.

He said: "Drug use is strongly linked to deprivation and poverty, which is why so much money has been invested in lifting people - particularly children - out of poverty."

Mr Brunstrom's comments come as Conwy Council's cabinet is preparing to discuss plans for a needle exchange machine which the force want installed in Colwyn Bay.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #7507838 - 10/11/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does he have a contact page, or some way we can convey our support? This is the first time I have seen an equivalent of LEAP here, and I'm both excited and happy that such a prominent figure is campaigning for social justice.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #7507893 - 10/11/07 04:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

FUCK YEAH!

Some commen sense from a police chief!!!

This man has my full support for his understanding that this is the only way to improve the drug situation for the benefit of everybody.

I bet it would reduce crime, reduce deaths / harm and I bet eventually usage would dwindle too.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: Ego Death]
    #7507904 - 10/11/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Can this Mark Tami fool hear what he sounds like?

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He said drugs policy was not "black and white" and a more considered approach had to be taken.




Surely the prohibition lobby are taking the stance that it is "black and white", namely, black.

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As 280,000 Class A drug users are responsible for half of all crime




... which goes to show how the policy of prohibition has completely failed.

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taking the risk of legalising such a dangerous drug is foolhardy and I would not wish to gamble so much on the health and wellbeing of our children.




What's he saying?  That the prohibition laws are protecting our children?  What world does he live in?  If people want to take drugs in the UK, they will, they're easy to get hold of.  Prohibition means that subtances/herbs are usually controlled by gangsters, and usually adulterated (unless you or your friend grows their own).  For example, ganja:  how is it helping "our children" for them to go and buy some skunk weed from some dodgy bloke (who also sells more dangerous drugs) and the weed has been tumbled and adulterated with crushed glass?

Nice one Mr Brunstrom!  This is a policeman who is serious about reducing crime.  Gansters and cartels have so much invested in prohibition, and for sure they have "friends" throughout the legal power structures of the UK, so he's probably fighting an uphill battle ... :frown:


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7508265 - 10/11/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Check it out,


http://www.safespeed.org.uk/brunstrom.html


They have a contact page but it probably won't go right to him.

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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #7508389 - 10/11/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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veggie said:
"280,000 Class A drug users are responsible for half of all crime"



Perhaps if possession of Class A drugs itself was not a crime (i.e. drugs were legal), then that figure would be much lower?

By the same logic, we could make going to the supermarket into a criminal offense. Then the entire population of supermarket shoppers would be responsible for 99.9% of all crime.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: TurricaN]
    #7508441 - 10/11/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I wish cops had more time to protect me and my family, and respond in emergencies, instead of "fighting a war on drugs."


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #7508570 - 10/11/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7509255 - 10/11/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well i think they have the right idea but im sorry i just dont think drugs like heroin should be legalized. that shit really is dangerous and deadly and shouldnt be made public.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7509346 - 10/11/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so what if you view heroin in a negative light. i happen to think it's a wonderful drug. who are you to tell me i shouldn't be allowed to do it.


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7509387 - 10/11/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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well i think they have the right idea but im sorry i just dont think drugs like heroin should be legalized. that shit really is dangerous and deadly and shouldnt be made public.




So is gasoline, but you don't see them illegalizing it. Criminalization = not the answer, duh. :wink:


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Re: 'Legalise drugs' Brunstrom urges [UK] [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7510496 - 10/11/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'd bet big money that less people would use it if it were legal;

No illicit novelty value.
No dealers/pushers.
Doctors could administere the drug safely and inform people of the highs and lows.

Why do you think people start on it anyway?


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