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Caapi Dosage?
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How much caapi is required for significant MAO inhibition? I am aware of different alkaloid contents in different colors. Include vine color with your dosage advice please.

Also, Im wondering if anyones attempted an A/B alkaloid extraction on b.caapi?


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: badreligion2good]
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yeah poeple extract it but i prefer vine you need about 50grams of white or yellow. i really dont suggest using black or red they are the way they are not cause alkaloid content they just have a differnt purpose the effects can be drastically differnt


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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Thanks dude, I planned on buying red though. I hear good things about red and I hear that black is pretty rough. I want something strong, I know about the traditional uses, I've seen the web page thats lists the different colored vines and their uses.

So how much red vine would cause MAO inhibition?


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: badreligion2good]
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same amount but becarful if you have red dont share it with anyone if your gona share it use white or yellow to be honest i say use black before you use red.


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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why black before red, I hear black is more potent and dangerous. You said you can risk becoming posessed from using black, if I remember correctly.


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: badreligion2good]
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yeah red can do that too Red has more telempathy black will be more rough but red you just dont know to be honest i think you should just get white and yellow. red and black are really only for an experianced healer trust me you can really fuck someone up with red vine. For solo use yellow and white are the way to go


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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Thedude, I cant really consider you an expert, considering that not too long ago you were asking for similar advice. Traditionally healers are apprentices first. And they are apprentices for a good while. You, over the course of the year, self proclaimed yourself as a healer. A lot of the info you get seems to come straight off the internet, the same internet I have access to. I have my doubts as to your legitamacy as a shaman or a healer for many reasons. You seem like someone who enjoys psychedelics, and uses them a lot. To me, you're a far cry from being a trustworthy healer though. I've heard many good things about red, many bad things about black, and that white and yellow lack umph.


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: badreligion2good]
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in my experience 30grams of red caapi has been enough for me in my aya brew, yellow i have used 10 grams more of. Never tried white or black. but of coursse people is diffrent , some need more some need less

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: elsig]
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wow badass that is very true but i rebrew my brew so i always put more then whats needed i always save my remains and rebrew em about 2 or 3 more times


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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thedudenj said:
wow badass that is very true but i rebrew my brew so i always put more then whats needed i always save my remains and rebrew em about 2 or 3 more times


why not just cook more and add it to the stock? why rebrew it? wouldnt the consistent cooking break down the alkaloids?

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: CptnGarden]
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the alkaloids are very stable potency loss occurs when the brew is too hot and they are vaporized. One day my friend was like why not reuse it and i did and since then i save my remains. Even if you brew it 3 times from 20min your remains will still be good.


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: badreligion2good]
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badreligion2good said:
Thedude, I cant really consider you an expert, considering that not too long ago you were asking for similar advice. Traditionally healers are apprentices first. And they are apprentices for a good while. You, over the course of the year, self proclaimed yourself as a healer. A lot of the info you get seems to come straight off the internet, the same internet I have access to. I have my doubts as to your legitamacy as a shaman or a healer for many reasons. You seem like someone who enjoys psychedelics, and uses them a lot. To me, you're a far cry from being a trustworthy healer though. I've heard many good things about red, many bad things about black, and that white and yellow lack umph.



All that "information" 'Thedude' supplied you with was completely anecdotal anyways.

You better be from the Amazon, and a member of an indiginous tribe that has been consuming ayahuasca in its many forms for many years before I start to consider your anecdotal information useful.


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: Herbus]
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lol your all silly and its been more then a year its going on 3 you dont think they started somewhere. Regardless i have access know to the ancient ones info they live through me you see all i care about are the people that listen and take something out of it those who dont well those who dont lol. I get my info straight from the source and great spirit. Hell is nolonger my home but i make visits. I only look like the son of man when the time comes you will probally see me sitting on a cloud with my sickle in my hand tho its really a kama


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/04/06 08:45 PM)

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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thedudenj said:
the alkaloids are very stable potency loss occurs when the brew is too hot and they are vaporized. One day my friend was like why not reuse it and i did and since then i save my remains. Even if you brew it 3 times from 20min your remains will still be good.


So how the hell are you supposed to keep the brew from getting too hot if you need to boil the plant material to make the brew?

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: truffleupagus]
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sub-boil almost lowest setting alakloids and water have differnt boiling points


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/04/06 09:41 PM)

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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I think a true healer is one who is not only one with the mother spirit and creation, but also can be one with all aspects of it, you know, a whole nother league if you will. When you can communicate and understand with utter clarity what a plant tells you in a simple conversation with it and explain to an unexperienced person, then you can be called a healer, but at that point I don't think you would call yourself one. But I'm naive as hell, I'm not even aware of the spiritual essences of different caapi vines.

I've heard shamans allow the ayahuasca to absorb a full day in the time that they brew it? Don't they have it hot over a flame? How come this works so well? Do they just use a lot more ingredients than internet sources suggest purchasing?


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: Delta9Hippie]
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How they do it depends on each one almost any shaman has their own way. Hm you are right tho plants give messages in such a simple way but if you explain it to an unexperianced person they think its just mumbo jumbo plus theres alot of shit im not aloud to say yet its not the time for alot of things but the things i can say i will. anyway since you want it to be as simple as it really is to be a healer you just have to be a healer and thats it. :crazy2:
yes this guy can explain it way better then me lol watch that video. Yeah man

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=spirituality&Number=6246452&page=0&fpart=1


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

Edited by thedudenj (11/05/06 05:11 PM)

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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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How can I tell the strain I have growing, I got it from greenstranger, but they didn't tell me what it was?


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: ngnyus]
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the colour it is


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Re: Caapi Dosage? [Re: thedudenj]
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The color of the vine has nothing to do with what the vine looks like. my god :shake:    it has to do with the color the water turns when you boil it.

Ngnyus: I'd be willing to bet that you have either white or yellow vine as red and black are rare. Most botanist can tell no difference from one vine to the next but somehow, shamans are able to differentiate the colors just by looking.

I've tried all 4 colors and the only problem you'd have with identification is the fact that, in my experience, white and yellow vine, both turn the water yellow. Go figure.  Black will most certainly make the water black and red will definitely turn the water red.

Dude: unless you truly believe in the spirituality and religion of a culture, then it really doesn't matter what you use. I've studied many of these practices and can say that I was fortunate to have my first ayahuasca experience with a real peruvian shaman in Peru, but I really don't believe in their whole religion. I love studying every little detail and going about things in the same traditional and respectful sense, but I'm no Amazonian tribesman. I work in the city, get a paycheck and live the typical urban life style. To say that someone can't use a particular vine because of shamanic reasons is like giving christian advice to muslims.

My best experiences have, most definitely been with red. Take that for what it's worth.


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