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Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod
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Unless Carlos Zambrano is involved in that trade, Cashman shouldn't even entertain the thought.


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-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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yeah i cant believe the cubbies signed piniella to a 3 year deal in the first place.

isnt that the guy that was rumored to be next in line for torre's job?


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Banez]
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Why can't you believe it? He won a World Series with the Reds and did well with the Mariners for a few years (thanks in large part to having A-Rod) before settling for Tampa Bay just so he could go closer to home. I don't like Piniella much but I understand the deal.

And Steinbrenner would have been an idiot to fire Torre, if'n ya ask me.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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no i mean i think it was a good move for the cubs.. i just didnt think theyd get him

you know i dont follow baseball too closely, but i thought the yankees were atleast somewhat interested in him.


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Banez]
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That was a lot of talk because Steinbrenner has a short temper and is friends with Piniella from back when he used to play for the Yanks.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Pinella throws some of the best on field tirades that I've ever seen.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Deadmaker]
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On-field and in-dugout too. He loves screaming at players. With the Devil Rays he would regularly act completely disgusted with them.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Yeah, well he was not very happy there at all. I'm sure that that had a lot to do with it. I don't really have memory of him being in Seattle, so I don't know if he was like that then or not. He is a pretty fiery guy though.

I don't even think that it would be all bad for the Cubs to throw in Zambrano in a trade for AROD, but do you think that AROD would even consider waiving that no trade claus to go to the Cubs? I don't see it.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Deadmaker]
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He sees Piniella as a father-figure...that could sway him.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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YEah, but he doesn't want to play on a shit team. The Cubs are a shit team. Unless he really wants out of New York. I think that the Yanks and AROD would be better off if he went elsewhere. I know that if I was him, then I'd want the hell out of there.

This is one of those stories that we are gonna hear about constantly until next season starts. One of those stories that I am going to be so tired of hearing about that I'll want to strangle someone everytime I hear about it.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Zambrano for Arod? Fuck that. No deal.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Vvellum]
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:grin: Zambrano and a 3B for A-Rod, mofo.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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no thanks. we dont want your nutjobs.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Vvellum]
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seriously... fuck arod.. zambrano will win a cy young eventually. we dont need fucking arod... as long as we can re-sign aramis ramirez we're fine at 3rd... the last thing we need to do right now is trade our last good pitching ace for a fucking pretty boy


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Deadmaker]
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Deadmaker said:
Pinella throws some of the best on field tirades that I've ever seen.



No he doesnt Billy Martin did :smile:


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:With the Devil Rays he would regularly act completely disgusted with them.



I think he actually was just disgusted with them. Very little acting involved.


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Infrared]
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cubs need two FA starting pitchers (Zito/Schmidt/Padilla) and a big bat or two for OF (Soriano/Carlos Lee). They need to keep A-Ram from dashing away. Perhaps a bullpen guy like Mark Redman. With the Tribune supposedly ready to increase payroll and Pinella geared to win, the cubs could be a great team. But only if Hendry & the Trib shell out the cash on the FA market...I would only chase after A-Rod if the Yanks were eager to get rid of him (which doesnt seem likely) in exchange for something like a trade for Prior + prospects (which doesnt seem likely). Trading any of our decent players for A-Rod would be foolish. Although, I am undecided on a trade for A-Rod for A-Ram + prospects.

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Vvellum]
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If we could somehow get Cashman to consider Rodriguez for Ramirez/Wood/Pagan, or something like that...

But they cant want to get rid of him that bad...


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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: Madtowntripper]
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There is no way the yankees would ever touch Wood. We've already had our Carl Pavano for this decade, thanks.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Piniella Wants Cubs to Pursue A-Rod [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Piniella

Cubs fans might like that article, I thought it was pretty damn well written...long but worth the read:

Enter Lou Piniella

BY Chris Sprow

Five minutes before Cubs general manager Jim Hendry took to the microphone to introduce new Cubs manager Lou Piniella, a well-known TV sports broadcaster and a well-read local columnist sit in the press conference seating area and greet eachother.

"Big day," says the TV guy.

"Well, it's a new day," the columnist shrugs.

"So how many of these have we seen?" the TV guy asks.

Both smile half-heartedly, glance at the empty podium, and look down at their scant notes.

The foreheads become furrowed, the internal counting commences. A few seconds pass. Neither has an answer.

"So then I guess it's just another day," the columnist offers.

The TV guy shrugs, then nods at reality.

"Yeah. I guess so."

A minute later Jim Hendry is up front reinforcing his commitment to winning, and winning immediately. And a minute after that Lou Piniella is starting his own speech. "The Chicago Cubs are a storied franchise," he says.

And he's absolutely right.

I just wonder which stories he's read.

And to start it all, Lou Piniella placed the Cubs hat on his head, but was careful. Something didn't feel right.

"I still have stitches," he tells us.

Last week, while broadcasting the ALCS for Fox, he hit his head in the truck outside and had to be cleaned up when the blood started running down his head.

So the hat had to come off after a few pictures were taken.

For the believers in Curseology, one resident side-religion of those who see the Cubs as a deity in this town, it wasn't a good omen. This franchise still has stitches of its own, as it tries to heal from one of the more surprisingly devastating seasons in recent memory, and Piniella is supposed to be a part of the healing. He's supposed to fit perfectly as a cap on the franchise, and if not heal all the wounds, at least conceal the recent scars. He should be at least more than a comb-over.

"We got the right man for the job," Hendry reiterates.

But the fact is, as "the right man for the job," Hendry should also be introducing the best aspects of himself. The Hendry who grabbed Aramiz Ramirez and Derrek Lee for peanuts, and re-signed both.

He'll need the best of himself, and so will Piniella. He'll have to be at his most active and best this off-season.

Because for all the aplomb a hire like Piniella creates, the work that must be done with a messy roster is where Hendry will have to concentrate now, and the way he and Piniella can work together will tell a lot more about the future than a press conference, much less spring training.

This Is Just One Addition

There is really only one good place to have a press conference in Wrigley Field on a cold day. So when Lou Piniella walked into the Stadium Club on Tuesday morning, slowly parting a sea of photographers on the way to the podium, it was fitting.

The room is a small sanctuary in the ballpark, painted with blue and red walls, adorned with a Hall of Fame collection of Cubs history, and featuring a fully stocked bar.

And low ceilings.

Like the ceiling on success around here.

It is the ideal setting to welcome Piniella to Cubdom. All the amenities, very crowded, the heat creating sweat, and that 99-year old ceiling always looming too closely overhead.

Piniella, hopefully as a good sign, had no idea that it's been 99 years since the Cubs have won a title. But we know he knows it's been a while. Yet he expects things to change immediately, even as he faces reality.

Asked what the Cubs asked of him, he said he turned it around as well.

"I asked Jim, 'What is your commitment?'" said Piniella.

He knows too well that this situation has to be a two-man show.

When he left Seattle to create a winner in Tampa Bay, he was assured the resources would be spent to compete in a division that includes the wealth of riches in New York and Boston, and the relatively deep wallets of Baltimore and even Toronto. What he got was an empty promise, an empty stadium, and an empty feeling in his stomach.

He expects more out of Chicago.

"Urgency is important," he says.

That means he expects Jim Hendry to act.

For starters, there should be a hard look at the acquisition of A-Rod from New York. The Cubs may have the talent to move, with a strong third bagger of their own in Aramis Ramirez, and one or two young players that could make the deal not just an option, but even financially sound.

With nine million of A-Rod's deal coming from Texas, the Cubs would be assuming around 16 million per year. Yet with Ramirez likely to get a raise closer to the 12-14 million dollar range, the Cubs might be able to rescue A-Rod from his PR quagmire in NYC and part with a player not notorious for his hustle here in Chicago.

Or, they could hang onto Ramirez, and guarantee an immensely powerful left side by moving A-Rod back to his home at shortstop. There are myriad possibilities.

It also means Hendry shouldn't merely enter the discussions for Alfonso Soriano, as he did two years ago for Carlos Beltran, and did last summer with Rafael Furcal, he should genuinely put forth the company dollars if Piniella says "jump." Soriano could enter left or center for this franchise, and immediately become a devastating bat in Wrigley.

Piniella says he absolutely has a reverence for the more modern numbers, the Beane-isms of the game, even though his computer skills are lacking.

If that's not a nod to Soriano over the numbing OPS numbers of Juan Pierre, then Hendry needs a translator.

The game of addition will also have to continue with the pitching staff. Hendry survived a year in which he clearly counted on Mark Prior and Kerry Wood to be keystones of a starting staff, a fireable offense to many. He shouldn't make that mistake again, and Piniella will be there to remind him.

"Hopefully they'll both be healthy," said Sweet Lou.

"Hope" is a term that should signal action to Hendry, who's put too much stock in the word already with this oft-injured pair. They should be a bonus-clause, not a paycheck, healthy insurance in case other deals fall flat. But those deals shouldn't. This is a staff that should be close to stocked before those two ever get to Mesa.

And with enticing arms like Zito and Meche in the market, the Cubs must act.

Hendry will have to remember this day as dealing time comes, because if there was one theme made clear early, it's that Piniella is here because he expects a commitment to spending and winning (and perhaps in that order) to be lived up to by the brass.

If he doesn't get that support, my guess is you'll hear his frustration. And you'll see his hat tossed into the dirt more often, just as it was left aside on this day.

He's too old for the games.

Dumping the Past

Piniella says that he remembers the past, but dwells in the present. He looks forward to the future.

Yet the makeup of this Cubs team is forged mostly from failure. Still, Piniella sees a benefit, particularly with the young guys.

"I think some of the problems of last year will pay dividends," he said.

That's because he notes that a number of young players had to come into the picture this year due to injuries, particularly the pitchers, and that may have pushed their development along at a quicker pace. This is one reason he'll keep Larry Rothschild around as his pitching coach, even as he replaces other members of the coaching staff Dusty Baker had. The results, Piniella said, could be beneficial immediately.

Still, you always have to wonder about a new guy in Chicago. Will he be able to manage the team, or will the peculiar ethos and expectations of this team and this crowd and this stadium manage him.

Piniella said that as he walked up to the microphone, Sharon Pannozzo, the Cubs Media Relations Director, told him that he was the 17th new manager she'd introduced.

"And you'll probably get to introduce a 18th," Piniella told her.

It's not because he thinks he'll fail.

He's older now at 63, and he wants to win quickly in Chicago, before his time on the bench is through; the way he did as a young manager in 1990, when his Reds swept a World Series from the A's.

He knows his place in life, and in the game, and it all means one thing: win now.

That'll be music to the ears of Cubs fans.

To Jim Hendry it should mean something else: get to work.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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